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Evening Brian,

I’m pleased to hear that there is an appreciation of the hard work done by our staff. But I absolutely disagree that any committees have been manipulated or private owners disregarded.

With regards

John

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John

Sorry but that is not the feedback from those that attended the tolls meeting nor is it the experience of those of us who did or tried to communicate our views including the NSBA. as they say you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all the time

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Dear Brian,

A recap on the Tolls …

A group of Members spent a year examining the structure of the tolls.

Representatives of the NSBA participated in a workshop in September 2015 which identified the key issues and established a degree of consensus about the direction of travel.

A further workshop for key stakeholders was held in 14 June 2016 which again included representatives of the NSBA and set out the initial views of the Tolls Working Group.

The NSBA and other external stakeholder organisations were invited to submit their comments on the draft proposals by the end of July 2016.  The responses were received from the BHBF, NSBA and Broads Angling Strategy Group (BASG) were then included in the report to both the Navigation Committee meeting in October and the Broads Authority in November.

So Members of the Navigation Committee and the Broads Authority considered very carefully the views of the NSBA who supported the changes to the hire boat toll structure but not those for private boats.

The meeting of the Navigation Committee on 27th October was the formal consultation process. If you had attended the Navigation Committee you would have seen that the proposals were discussed at considerable length and all three main recommendations were supported by the Committee.

The views of the NSBA were not disregarded but at the end of the day the members of the Navigation Committee and the Broads Authority were of the view that the proposed change to a simpler relationship between the size of craft and tolls paid was fairer.

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John

Although I couldn`t attend we had very good feedback from those that could and are fully aware of how the meeting was conducted and the conclusions reached, we also know the run up to those conclusions and in particular the people reaching those conclusions and those that were not allowed to question the decision, that doesn't answer why a large percentage of owners were not asked for an opinion and when expressed it was ignored along with the NSBA recommendations, given the unfair extremes of the final outcome I am sorry but there is no way you can say the decision taken was in the best interest of the majority of stakeholders.

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Apr-26-2017 @ 7:37 PM                           Permalink
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To my mind one of the very major issues is that while everyone involved were totally up-front about their personal/special interests. They were still voting and/or making decisions that had a financial interest in their relationship with the BA.

There is a reason as to why insider trading is illegal.

Anyone having a financial interest in decisions made by the BA or Nav Com should not vote.

It's like caesar's wife.

When you guys appear to be not doing things right, and I'm not going to suggest anything corrupt, but the trust and respect from the Stakeholders will not happen when voting members can get a financial gain.

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Apr-26-2017 @ 7:52 PM                           Permalink
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There are both winners and losers cost wise in the new system. Unfortunately for the BA the winners will sit quietly and the losers will create a fuss. No issues there as both stances are reasonable and normal.
However, for balance, there are plenty who think that the new arrangements right a previous wrong and that their tolls were previously inflated.
A difficult judgement call to make. It is impossible to please everyone. The correct process was followed so however this affected individuals we just have to accept it.
Let us not forget this was not a cash grab (other than the reasonable 3% general increase). The BA end up with pretty much the same toll revenue.

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Brian,
The purpose of the Navigation Committee is to represent the different interests who use the waterways. Based on the Authority’s previous survey experience asking all 10,000 toll payers whether small boats should pay less and large boats more would have predictably given a polarised set of responses which would not have helped the Authority’s members in their decision making.

Richard
The structure of the Navigation Committee is such that the different interested groups are present – both hire operators, private owners and other users of the waterways. They are given dispensation to participate in the debate on the setting of tolls. If this were not the case then almost all of the Committee would not be able to engage in the debate.


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John

You still havn`t answered my question, given that a consensus of opinion across the forums and user groups shows a majority lack of confidence and trust in the executive how do you propose  rectifying that.

           Brian  

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Harlequin, I'm not suggesting in any way that this was a cash grab. The BA need the money, and probably a lot more post Brexit. I just want it to be done and seen to be done in an equitable and fair manor.

John, I totally agree with you that we need the HBO's and business owners to be part of the debate. That's not the issue.

Voting when there is a financial gain IS.

Debate and decision making two totally different things, or do you not agree?

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Without any knowledge whatsoever I'm guessing harlequin your tolls have come down hence your remarks had they gone up as significantly as some have I doubt you would be of the same opinion .

Richard

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Dear Brian,

The most reliable poll of private boat owners is the survey by Insight Track in November 2014.

This statistically significant response showed that only 16% of private boat owners were dissatisfied with the performance of the Broads Authority.

John


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