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Jun-05-2019 @ 2:27 PM                           Permalink
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Just a few thoughts:

If I paddle my kayak from the WRC to Beccles then I am expected to pay a toll. Not unreasonable that swimmers pay too.

Did last years's event take place during the fishing season? This year it certainly is meaning that existing users, boaters and fishermen, will have their activities impacted on by the swimmers. Perhaps that begs the question as to who is actually being selfish, if indeed anyone is.

Got to say that I agree with Karen on this one.

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Jun-05-2019 @ 3:49 PM                           Permalink
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Just a few thoughts:

This could have serious implications on navigation between WRC and Beccles.
JollyRoger, as you are so concerned about this swim maybe you could approach your good friend on the Navigation Committee and get it stopped.
Think of all those hungry and thirsty supporters who will be at the start.
Where will they buy food and drink from?

I am sure you will get his full support to get it stopped.

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Jun-05-2019 @ 4:02 PM                           Permalink
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”If I paddle my kayak from the WRC to Beccles then I am expected to pay a toll. Not unreasonable that swimmers pay too.”

You’ll need to provide a better argument than that. The 1988 Broads Act, Section 13, says: ”The Authority may determine and recover tolls in respect of vessels moored, used or navigated on adjacent waters as well as in the navigation area.” I can’t find a similar provision relating to swimmers. Do you know of one?

If it’s not lawful to apply a toll to swimmers, it’s unreasonable to expect them to pay one.


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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If you enter one of the great marathons or sponsored walks you could get run over by a vehicle but the competitors entrants and good causes don't think that way thank goodness.
We suppose that all those that criticise, wouldn't take part as they may need a nap after consuming all those chips upon their shoulders.
We should all live a little by letting others live.
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If comparisons are to be made, they should be between similar events.

The London Marathon, for example, is organised by the London Marathon Trust, a charity. After costs, 100 per cent of the surplus is gifted to The London Marathon Charitable Trust.

Norfolk Broads Swimming Ltd is a private limited company, a commercial enterprise, with one director, the organiser of the Waveney swim. Any charitable donations rely on the willingness of the participants in the race to cough up.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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We made no mercenary comparison, just the thought that those who took part in any type of event like this did so because they wanted to and feel that most entered, in the true spirit of the event to enjoy themselves, push personal boundaries  and help others.
The risks for most participants are obvious or pointed out by the organisers if necessary.
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My apologies, I took your reference to sponsorship and good causes to relate to the benefits to charitable causes. I was simply pointing out that the driving force behind the Waveney swim appears to be private profit for the organiser, unlike the London Marathon, the surplus of which goes to the charitable trust, while the competitors raise money for their own favourite charitable cause. I wonder if it is this difference that creates the antipathy towards the Waveney swim in some quarters.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Well said M&P. Paladine I think you are the only one to mention the profit motive of the organiser but you may have a point.
Personally i would prefer a park run type concept run by volunteers but we can't have everything.

I am not sure where you think there are any more suitable locations. I understand wild swimmers wish to go from place A to B rather than round a round a lake. They also wish to test themselves against all the natural challenges such a swim presents.
Oulton on a summer Thursday may unfortunately be an adventure  too far.

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”Paladine I think you are the only one to mention the profit motive of the organiser but you may have a point.”

I only mentioned it as there seemed to be a view that the event was in aid of charity, which it isn’t. The organiser has admitted that it is a commercial enterprise.

”I am not sure where you think there are any more suitable locations.”

Take your pick http://outdoorswims.co.uk/lstevents.php (and these aren’t all the available venues)



"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Thanks for the link Pally Smile  The only problem for Norfolk or Suffolk swimmers would be getting there as they are a few steps away.
Could solve the problem though as the Norfolk or Suffolk swimmers may not have enough energy left to swim when they reached the venues if they had walked.
The poor spectators and helpers from the surrounding areas of this swim will need holiday booked.

This is supposed to be a light hearted comment and no offence intended to anybody as we all look at life differently.
Kindest Regards
Marge and Parge  Smile

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Jun-06-2019 @ 6:53 PM                           Permalink
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These days I can run a bath but that's about it!

My point is that back in the early 80's I entered the Great North Run for the first time which as you know starts in Newcastle, crosses the iconic Tyne Bridge, passes Gateshead Stadium and finishes in my beloved home town of South Shields.

As a boy I ran for South Shields Harriers, competed in club races at Gateshead Stadium and was once only 10 yards behind Steve Cram when he finished a mile race (albeit it one lap down!!!!).

The route I had travelled along many times by car and bus.  Part of the excitement was being able to run along the same roads without traffic.  For anyone familiar with the Broads I can understand the same charm value to be able to swim in familiar waters.  For anyone not familiar then the opportunity is there to become captivated and return as a visitor.

I am not denigrating the risks but as an organised event participants are well informed.  Just adding a different perspective


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