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Oct-23-2020 @ 4:30 PM                           Permalink
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From BA Facebook page
" Please do not travel to the Broads from 'very high' local COVID alert level areas (tier 3 areas).

The UK Government has stated that people should not travel into or out of areas that have been categorised as 'very high' risk (tier 3 areas). The Broads is currently in a 'medium' risk area (tier 1).

This Government has stated that this includes no staying overnight in another part of the UK such as the Broads except if you need to for work, education or caring responsibilities. You should not leave the 'very high' alert level area to stay in a second home or boat if you own one.

This may affect a number of planned holidays and visits to the Broads this half-term (next week).

If you are a holidaymaker affected by these rules please contact your booking provider directly to seek a refund or make alternative arrangements for your booking. If you own a boat or second home please defer your visit until it is safe to do so.

For more information on the restrictions placed on people living in 'very high risk' areas please see the official Government guidance: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/local-covid-alert-level-very-high "

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I read the government website guidance yesterday and it did not make reference to staying overnight on boats, though it did mention second homes.

We are in tier 2 so can still visit but I am aware that a large well known marina has already barred anyone from a tier 3 area from visiting their boat, even if only for the day , to winterise for example. The rules are guidance only, not law, and people are getting weary after the many months of some following the rules and many many others not giving a damn. This is simply an observation on my part, I'm not condoning certain actions by any one group.

Seems to me that yet again Norfolk gets bullish when it suits, yet in the summer many places didn't give a monkeys about the blatant disregard for the rules such as social distancing , nor as those rules evolved and changed.

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Relevant quote  from the .gov website :

"If you are a resident in a very high alert level area, we ask you to avoid staying overnight in another part of the UK, except if you need to for work, education or caring responsibilities. This means we are asking you not to leave the very high alert level area to stay in a second home, if you own one. You must not stay with anyone you do not live with elsewhere in the UK or visit their home"

All I'm saying is the BA in their announcement have not properly represented what the government say!

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I seem to recall that, when restrictions were first put into place earlier this year, boats were put into the same category as second homes, regarding overnight stays.

That said, I would like to make it abundantly clear that the Broads Authority (being unelected) does not represent, nor does it speak for, Norfolk. The population of Norfolk is over 900,000, with only around 6,000 living within the Broad Authorities executive area (0.66%).

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Yes, at some point there was confirmation that at that time  the no overnight stay rule extended to include caravans and boats.  The rules then were simpler/shorter than they are now but currently they do not specify. And that is my point - the BA have misquoted the current rule guidance. My other point is about businesses being heavy handed in contrast to others who didn't seem to care much for rules , even those that were law. These are some of the issues that I and many other non Norfolk resident boaters have found frustrating this year, along with the BA stance on toll payments.  It was not my intention to address this annoyance to all Norfolk folk, so perhaps my wording was rather clumsy.

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Hi Karen,
We were very lucky, living in now tier 3 Lancashire to have had our holiday 2 weeks ago on the Broads.
So now, we cannot travel outside Lancashire to the Broads or any other UK area under tier 3, but we could pack our bags, go to Manchester Airport and fly to Tenerife!!!  On return we would not now need to isolate! We are totally confused    Question

Women and cats do as they please..Men and dogs better get used to the idea!

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Boats were classified as second homes by the Government earlier this year, and the Government website quite clearly says no staying away overnight in another part of the UK if you are a resident in a tier 3 area.

The last time I checked, leaving your primary residence to come to the Broads and stay on your boat (if you have one), would fulfil the above criteria.

It seems the BA have made this distinction as you apparently cannot rely on people using their common sense to put two and two together.

Not exactly a 'misquoting' unless you enjoy complaining about these things for the sake of it.

'Norfolk gets bullish when it suits' is a ridiculous thing to say - Council's here are following the lead from central Government as they are across the country. 'Clumsy' (and mildly offensive) wording indeed.

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"Not exactly a 'misquoting'..."

If you wish to nit-pick, then misquoting was exactly what it was.

"To quote is to transcribe what someone said or wrote, crediting that person." [vocabulary dictionary]

HMG did not mention the Broads in their statement. The Broads Authority has given their own interpretation of that statement and made it look as if it is specific government advice.

Just sayin'

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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Well Bittern Cloud, let me say a few things to counter your post!

Firstly, that the rules throughout this have changed many times, as have wordings. In some aspects they were legal requirements and others guidance. So I don't think it unreasonable to question anything, nor to assume that what applied in March, April, May for example is exactly the same right now. To refer to anyone raising  any aspects of these now complicated rules would surely be more than clumsy and mildly offensive - no? Nor does it mean that those of us who raise it are incapable of using common sense - another accusation indirectly aimed at the only person here that you are responding to - me - and that rather insults me and again could be seen as offensive. I'm simply using your own measures here by the way.

Secondly, nobody can argue that the BA have not misquoted the guidance -  if you refer to what is posted above you will see that the government guidance does not say boats, but the BA have added the word "boat" to the quote, rather than stating the guidance and then adding what is clearly their own comment or reminder ( if correct ) about this relating to boats as well. No organisation should misrepresent facts in any way, it's just not good practice. And for me to raise it is does not mean  "I enjoy complaining" as you put it. Although even it does, it's still a valid point on a forum for discussion about Broads related issues!

Thirdly, and again if you read my  earlier posting fully, you will see that I talk about individual owners travelling to their boat not for an overnight stay but for example, to winterise. The currently rules for tier 3 do refer to travel but it is guidance not a legal requirement, so in the essence of the forum being a place for discussion and debate, I raise this as a relative point for private owners currently in tier 3. And I will repeat here, that's not us, so I am simply looking at the wider picture for others.

Finally, my view that "Norfolk gets  bullish..." is not "ridiculous " because it is not, as you assume,  about councils following the governments lead - I made no reference to that at all. It is my view, based on numerous aspects of Covid and Norfolk, previously raised here, and also through my own experiences. I realise from your post that you are a new member so may not have read them, but perhaps that might have been useful before you made assumptions about what my comments were based on. I will not repeat them in detail here (all still viewable and with various commenters)  but they have been about, for example, the BA actions regards tolls payments, Marinas taking bullish attitudes towards its berth holders beyond any government rules or laws, social distancing or not from both end of the spectrum when it suits hire yards/ the BA/businesses, " stay away" type signs then all come in and cram in now we want your money etc etc.

I will add (and have done so elsewhere on here) that some businesses have done great work in these challenging times. We don't know what Covid has done to individuals in terms of their own lives and circumstances which may well colour their view. From my own perspective I have a strong opinion anyway, not least because of our experiences and how Covid has affected us, but I did realise that my comments may have appeared to be too general and that is why I qualified that it was not aimed at all Norfolk folk and my wording was a little clumsy.

Karen





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If I might add.     Looking at Herbert Woods web cam this morning I was quite amazed to see how many boats are out and about.    I had got the impression that if you lived in Wales or one of the Tier 3 areas then the likes of Hoseasons to name but one then your holiday was cancelled for now but arrangements were being made for a future holiday or a refund.   Please dont quote me as that is just as I understood it.     Karen talks a lot of sense.    I dont care if you are from Norwich of High Street China no one but no one wants this darn virus.   We are all trying to do our best to get on with things but are being as safe as possible.     If you are from a Tier 3 area then surely a bell should go off in your head and say to you - travel to another area is unwise to say the least.  

This has got nothing whatsoever in any form meaning that Norfolk does not want tourists or that you are unwelcome just please take a step back and realise that this is still a deadly virus.



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