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http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/479767/BA20140248FUL-Hoveton-Great-Broad-Hudsons-Bay-and-Wroxham-Island-Haughs-End-Road-Lower-Street-Hoveton.pdf

This is an issue that has ramifications for the Broads as a whole. It does appear that it is not to be supported by the Authority directly thus is not wholly a BA issue and I support the BA on that one although I do wonder at their motives.

Information from within suggests that Natural England hopes to gain funding from such as the Lottery Fund, in which case I suspect limited public access would be part of the deal, but no guarantee of that.

HGB is private property, should it be funded with public money.

In my opinion Rhond Dwellers and the Broads Little People need to be aware of this application. The exclusion of the public from the Broad has long been an issue locally.

Substantial fish barriers are planned, once in it would take major engineering to remove them.

Lots of unanswered questions, lots of implications, open to speculation but the application is in, it has the potential to affect us all.

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I alluded to this then forthcoming application on here a few months ago without naming the location. At that point I predicted that when it came to light it would cause some upheaval, at least.
NE predicted that this would cause the old access debate to be resurrected. To their credit it was suggested to me that from their point of view they had no problem with opening the waters for navigation in general and certainly for non polluting boats. That however was not in their gift.
As I understand it there will be no raiding the BA navigation budget so no financial implication on boaters.
For those that want to push the access all areas, Magna Carta version of navigation start agitating now. This will be your last chance of ever regaining navigation there.


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" Natural England hopes to gain funding from such as the Lottery Fund, in which case I suspect limited public access would be part of the deal "

JM
I suspect that you are incorrect at least from a boaters point of view. At very best the odd board walk or two may possibly appear.

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" It does appear that it is not to be supported by the Authority directly thus is not wholly a BA issue and I support the BA on that one although I do wonder at their motives."

JM.
Motives, think about it!
A Barton style restoration of a fairly large Broad with no financial implication to the BA. A restoration that will no doubt help the BA meet some EU conservation requirement or other.
From their point of view what is not to like....They simply win, win , win.

I hope it happens. HGB will eventually return to marshland otherwise.

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Ecologically HGB is pretty poor and anything that can be done to improve this will benefit the area and associated water bodies.

But access must be improved - guided canoe trails and the existing board walk is not enough.

Exclude power boats by all means but public funding must come with greater access of some sort.

There is a balance to be found and hopefully that will happen - it must

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Sounds good. Private owner gets public money to dredge broad. Wait a little while (sediment to settle) then submit plans for redevelopment.
Methinks they should be taken into public ownership first.

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Access does at least need to match Black Horse Broad in my opinion, and that is possibly why the Authority has refrained from being a partner to this scheme. I agree, this is the one opportunity that we have to fight the access issue.

I agree that Hoveton G.B. needs maintenance, and so does my garden & mooring dyke. I would appreciate a lottery grant!

I do see those fish barriers as limiting water flow and it is flow that the upper reaches need for flushing the system.

I suspect that both Exile & Marshman know where my information comes from but you others rest assured that it is absolutely kosher.

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My experience of modern lottery funding is that the application always has to  include public participation in some form.

Sometimes this can be quite frustrating as you are genuinely trying to improve a site for its wildlife value and have to create a project which involves 'the public' - in this application essential?

Water Rail, 81 years old this year and still looking beautful!

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Liz, in my opinion this issue is basically twofold:

Regaining traditional rights of navigation and the use of public money & resources on private property.

Beyond that is the possible legal issue surrounding the restriction of water flow to a neighbour's property.  

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I'm not altogether opposed to using public money on private projects where they are in the public interest, and offer significant public benefit.

In this case such public interest must involve access, perhaps on a staged basis with full access for 8 weekends a year during the summer, plus other dates such as Easter and Whit with unpowered access at other times? Such to be contracted in perpetuity.

As has been said, the odd guided canoe trail or even some Ra type commercial passenger boat operation does not cut the mustard for me.

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