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The sugar factory has applied for planning to extend the factory. Read about it here

No problem with the application, the problem comes when the transport side is read. 98 vehicles a day, thats one every 5 and a half minutes, will move sugar cane from the Outer Harbour to Cantley.

Common sense would say that, rather than using HGVs the river should be dredged and the cane brought up by barge. Just like in the old days and presumably a greener solution than the wagons.

Couple of questions on this please.

1. Any transport managers out there could quote me for 98 vehicles travelling approx 17 miles each way, carrying around 40tons each time.

2. What is the biggest coaster able to get up the Yare?

3. Am I correct in thinking Breydon Water is still under the Port Authority at Yarmouth?



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"Common sense would say that, rather than using HGVs the river should be dredged and the cane brought up by barge. Just like in the old days and presumably a greener solution than the wagons".

here here gary

that sort of vessel movement might even help keep the

channel dredged in the future.


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Hi Gary

quote:"......
Common sense would say that, rather than using HGVs the river should be dredged and the cane brought up by barge. Just like in the old days and presumably a greener solution than the wagons.
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I have heard a rumour (although i cannot say where from, but given my line of business i think that you can guess) that this is indeed the case, coasters will be coming back to the Yare. As to size the Blackheath was about 780t GTW, with the Rix Hawk being a bit lighter, so i'd say this was about as big as possible as there wasn't much room either side through Reedham Bridge.

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Hi folks,
It is good to see that they consider the White House junction with the A47 as a major concern.  Having said that, I think the report attempts to minimise the problems with that place.  Having passed it at least twice a day for a few years, I am really surprised (thankfully) that so few personal injury accidents have been recorded.
Yes, the Cantley road does open out onto a dual carriageway but then it closes down to single in both directions with the Acle Straight and North Burlingham sections - Both congested and accident-magnets.
Fully support the coaster idea, but I would like the proposal to include the cost of a White House roundabout.


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Pete,

I have heard, previous to this, that a roundabout at the White House is not an option.

Not sure why but that is what I heard.



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Iam not a transport manager gary but iam connected to the industry so i will loosely try and answer Q 1

aside any operating or settup costs of operating a HGV(i could if needed find this for you but would need more time)i've based roughly what fuel costs would be alone per day

35mile round trip x 98 tips=3430 total miles per day

most Lgv' average around the  8 mpg mark (and thats being generous)

so 8mpg into 3403 mileage =428.7 gallons

its roughly around £5-35 per gallon which adds up to £2289-00

so it's around the two and a half grand a day mark in fuel alone

by river as we all know commercial red diesel carrys no tax and i have no idea what useage a coaster would use but i would have though it would be a lot more cheaper also a lot less useage


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Gary,
Deep down, I think I have heard the same.  The 50 limit has gone a long way to making it safer, but it is still one of my less favourite bits of road.
The planners may say that the new lorry proposal is less than the existing sugarbeet loads, but it does mean that the locals will no longer have a guiet summer. I feel for them.
Pete  

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quote:"......
The planners may say that the new lorry proposal is less than the existing sugarbeet loads
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Pete,

The planners are very good at keeping the figures on their side. Why else do a traffic survey between 0715 and 0815 on a Wednesday morning in June.

Why not do the same survey on a Sunday afternoon at the start of August, when the junction by the White House is at a standstill due to the amount of traffic on the road?

In relation to the amount of wagons coming to the factory at the height of the beet campaign there is a significant reduction (75%), but during the winter months there are not so many holiday makers or caravans on the roads either.

But doing a survey at these times would give the "wrong" figures wouldnt they?

Gary.

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Just going through some documents with regard to the application and have come across this bit

quote:"......
Consideration has been given by British Sugar to the possible use of
rail or river transport links between Great Yarmouth and Cantley, as
an alternative to road haulage, given the obvious proximity of both
the Yarmouth to Norwich railway line and the River Yare to the
Factory. However, due to the current lack of rail head and river
loading/unloading installations, allied to the major technical and
economic challenges of creating suitable facilities, these options have
been discounted at this stage as being unfeasible.
......."



Gary.

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Gary, don't know what you think but that seems to me to be an absolute load of doggies' generally removed bits! I hope that both the BA and Highways Departments have the wisdom to insist on the use of rail and waterborne transport.

Jenny Morgan,

Say 'yes dear' and be accused of being indecisive, be decisive and be accused of not saying 'yes dear'! Us men can never win.

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