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Juls
Jul-27-2021 @ 3:50 PM                           Permalink
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Hi,

Wondering if you would again be so kind to provide advice on the following itinerary.
Friday 13th August leaving Richardsons boat yard at Stalham. As we are complete novices, the plan is to moor either at Broad or How Hill for the first night. Are there any facilities there or should we be prepared to cook on the boat?  If we don't feel 100pc confident then we can head back to boatyard for the night which was a good tip given.


Next day head to Wroxham (4,5 hours) and spend day / night there.
If we went onto Coltishall though it seems you need a boat pilot? Just how do you go around getting one to take you through and back? ie do you just moor up and go into some sort of ticket office?

Next day go from Wroxham or Coltishall to Horning and spend night there.

Then back to boat yard.

Does this sound feasible and relatively straightforward or any other suggestions?

Thanks for your help.

Juls

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Jul-27-2021 @ 6:08 PM                           Permalink
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Hi, and welcome.

3 days and all the way from Stalham to Coltishall and back is a bit of a tall order in my opinion. We've boated on The Broads for many years, so hopefully our experiences are worth something, lol.

Firstly, bear in mind that distances and proximity by road bear little resemblance to the journey by river - winding waters and 4mph,, sometimes 5mph, make for much longer journey times.    

Secondly, public moorings are just that, no facilities really, though if in a village you may find a shop or pub but they are not always right there on the river. These are rural locations, just a few miles apart, so there's little on offer. Horning for example is a large village set right on the river, and there are 3 riverside pubs, a couple of shops, etc, but other places have nothing, and some are near the location they are named after but a walk is required to take you to the village from the moorings.

You mentioned night 1 at How Hill, or "Broad" - which one?  

To try and answer your questions there are no facilities as such at How Hill which essentially is a country house with gardens that can be visited, and a large open field above the moorings which offers great views of the surrounding countryside. There are some toilets up at How Hill but I'm not sure if the are open all the time.  In addition there is a small ( very tiny) reedcutters cottage  adjacent to the Moorings which you can visit. A little counter there sells ice creams. So,  if you choose to stay there on evening number one you will really need to cook your own food.  It is possible to walk from there to Ludham but quite a way , one pub there.

For any hirer wanting to travel beyond Wroxham towards Coltishall ,  there is a pilot service which must be used to take the boat under Wroxham Bridge.  This service is only available between about 830 and 5.00 each day,  and passage under the bridge is dependent on clearance available and the tides, recent rainfall etc.  The details of your hire boat (in the brochure or online)  should tell you whether or not your boat can ever pass under Wroxham Bridge.  So you would have to factor in the anticipated low water times for both the journey there and your return.  To use the pilot you simply pull up at the Staithe  which is on the right side of the river immediately in front of the bridge,  but you can also ring them in advance to check current conditions etc - the tel number is usually provided to you by your boatyard.  I don't have it to hand because as private owners we don't/ can't use the pilot service.

Colitishall public moorings are on the common where there are 2 pubs right there. Colitishall main village  area is a 15 mins walk further along the main road.

Hope this helps, feel free to ask more.

Karen

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Jul-27-2021 @ 7:05 PM                           Permalink
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In addition to Karen's excellent advice, you could moor for either your first or last night at Gay's Staithe or Neatishead. Both of these are only a short walk from the White Horse at Neatishead. You would need to phone the pub to check table availability.

Unfortunately holidays on the Broads are marketed as this idyllic location where you can tie up at a pub every night and be fed and watered. The reallity is that there are nowhere near enough moorings for everybody, let alone ones at or near pubs. Idyllic it is, if like most of us you value tranquility and wildlife, but you need to be prepared to tie up to a remote river bank or mudweight on a broad if no formal moorings are left. You should always have food and supplies on board too.  Smile

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Jul-27-2021 @ 8:08 PM                           Permalink
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Agree with the above , please note school holidays , most public moorings are going to be full / taken up , unfortunately weekends are change over days at hireboat yards , and asked not to moor in them ( unless home yard ) yes at wroxham you need the bridge pilot to take you through,  may be best to ring the pilot to get more information, if rainfall on the week you go or on the day, no boats maybe not getting through due to high water level,
If you get out the hireboat yard Early on your 1st day , you may get a mooring at how hill ( not no pub or food shop there , so will need own provisions) , next stop after that is ludham bridge, there is a shop and a pub there ,pub is about 15/ 20 minutes walk from the bridge moorings,  
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Jul-27-2021 @ 9:53 PM                           Permalink
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I presume you mean Barton Broad. If you are not used to mud weighting it might be best not to try that on your first adventure especially if it is a little breezy across the open water. Better to pull off the Broad and into Gay's Staithe or we often find Paddy's Lane (take a starboard turn just before you enter Barton Broad from the Stalham direction)can be a nice stop off and often has moorings when sites like How Hill are chock-a-block.
Another alternative, which is what we did on our first hire boat trip many years ago, is take a trip down the Ant and do a circuit of Barton Broad (circumnavigate the island at the far side to make it seem like you have achieved something!)to give you some practise at handling the boat and then head back to Sutton Staithe where there is a pub alongside. The problem is that Sutton can become full pretty quickly too.
I agree with the consensus that Cotishall and back in 3 days will mean that you will be flat out cruising every day without the opportunity to stop anywhere for a breather or a look around and you may not be able to duck under Wroxham bridge anyway. The last thing you want with limited time available is to be stuck on the far side!
Just make sure you have provisions with you for food and drink for at least the first night and next morning since you will almost certainly not get as far as you think you will and places to stock up are few and far between if you don't know where to look.
The main thing is take things easy and enjoy yourself. Then when you return you can book for a longer duration and explore further afield.

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Jul-27-2021 @ 11:40 PM                           Permalink
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Ooh gosh it hadn't occurred to me that you might consider mudweighting when you referred to "Broad". I was thinking if you mean mooring up on a Broad ( Sutton or Barton) I'd then tell you where there were actual moorings, which L's Belles has now outlined for you for both of them.

If I were you, with only a weekend trip, I'd try and avoid having to retrace your steps back to the yard. You would be wasting precious time in my opinion. On our first hire on the Northern Broads many years back we also started out at Richardsons on a beautiful sunny afternoon. We has our first stop at How Hill for a cuppa and to test out mooring a bigger boat than we'd had previously, then we continued on to Ludham Bridge where, with 8'4 airdraft ( boat height above water level) we had to stop anyway as there wasn't enough clearance ! This was around 2 or 3rd September as the schools returned, so there was more opportunity for mooring up into the evening. We had a lovely first evening, cooking on board , and got under the bridge around 9 the next morning - following a Barnes Royal (hire boat) that was slightly taller than ours   Wink .

Another point - you are not allowed to travel along the river once it's getting dark, so don't leave it late to find a mooring spot. Another reason why your planned long trip in a weekend is not really  practical in the time frame you have.

Hope you can see we are just trying to help. It's great that you've joined us to ask for advice. Let us know what boat you have hired.

Karen  



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Jul-28-2021 @ 8:24 AM                           Permalink
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Stalham to Horning is approx 3 hours and Horning to Coltishall another 3 hours, so that is a full day each way with no stops. Best advice is take your time and stop wherever takes your fancy. Don't miss Ranworth and South Walsham broads on your way past and Potter too.


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Steve,s second paragraph sum,s the situation up perfectly.
Adrian.

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Jul-29-2021 @ 4:06 PM                           Permalink
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Hi,

Just want to say thank you for all the advice given and I will take it on board.
Colishall now ruled out Smile

I'll also make sure that I have plenty of supplies onboard incase we can't get moored anywhere with pubs which is fine as this is a middle part of our staycations so may be nice to chill and cook on board.

Will look into the places mentioned Paddys lane/Neatishead/Grays staithe for the first night and sounds like it'll be better to maybe not have an ambitious plan and just moor up where there looks a nice space.

I do realise with school holidays it will be very very busy but its the only time I could convince the family to do this and I hope they are converted that we can maybe come back for longer.

There was quite limited availability when we booked but we are on Southern Gem.

Appreciate all your help   Smile

Juls

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Jul-29-2021 @ 8:36 PM                           Permalink
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All good advice but remember that if you want to eat out and are struggling for a mooring then as a hirer you can always moor in another hire boat yard...both Horning and Wroxham have moorings and then never that far from a pub or restaurant
Enjoy your trip whatever you decide to do

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