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Hi Tonkatravels
I agree with what earlier posts say however here are a few points to add
When my daughter was 11 she and her 11yo friend crewed for me on the broads (first time visit for both though both could swim)no problem at all & back when 12,13 14 & 15 with 3 different friends!
Boatyard jackets bright orange and cumbersome and not popular and rarely seen in use (I have been observing from the quay all summer)
Just be sure they avoid the side decks when under way and don't play around till moored .North broads mean less time between stops though in 3 weeks do visit both
I dont think I have seen anyone  using tie-lines and most boats not conducive to their use use as designed no doubt for sea going type of boats and such vessels do not go under most bridges.
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Hi Tonka I would suggest a auto one that is the easiest and most comfortable one to put on and wear,I have seen lots of children refusing to wear a jacket when its bulky and restrictive,especially if its hot and sunny and for three weeks!! it needs to be comfortable and automatic, One other thing try it on first before you buy if your child is big many jackets straps aren't long enough to be comfortable.John

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Hi again
As if by magic since sending original message there were a family of regular boaters on the quay and they recommend Crewsaver Crewfit 150 which are red but their children are happy to wear as quite discreet they got them on line the children (about 9 & 11 were full of praise for them )They agreed harness not practical except if ever seagoing!
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Welcome... as I was drafting a response Helmsman beat me to it!

I’m a great Crewsaver fan, if they’re good enough for the professionals they’re good enough for me; my wife and myself each have Hammar hydrostatic auto-inflating jobbies with crutch straps (note I said “have”, don’t always wear, mea maxima culpa), and we keep a couple of non-Hammar ones on board for guests.

For our grandson we have a Crewsaver foam lifejacket, most importantly with a steel ring to attach a safety line, he’s not allowed on deck without one of us on the other end of it. But at four years old he’s already finding it uncomfortable and your daughters will NOT enjoy the Supersafe models. Crewfit 150 Junior might be more appropriate and Winter deals are to be had; “safety harnesses” seem to be a bit of overkill?

I can’t comment on the jackets now being provided by the boatyards, but if you intend to hire more frequently - I’m sure your girls will love it - purchasing comfortable lifejackets that will become second nature for them to wear might be an investment.

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Crewsavers are worn by Harwich pilot boat crew and are what HM gave customs officers for messing about in boats (I've still got mine (wink emoji))

Andy and Kathy (IP11)

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Just seen a Norfolk Broads Direct cruiser moor up, the 11- 12 yo was wearing what looked like Crewsaver 150 it was definitely their first time but did not get a chance to ask about the life jacket

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Check these out - the new Crewsaver Junior with the new zip that "bursts" when it inflates - these are even more comfortable. Also have the indicator window showing "green" if ok or "red" if there is an issue

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crewsaver-Crewfit-Junior-Lifejacket-Harness/dp/B00TYTF8J6

but even cheaper at Marine Superstore!!

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Wow! Thank you for all the welcomes and very helpful replies – we’re really grateful.

We’re not sure exactly which company we’ll be hiring from yet, but we contacted Barnes Brinkcraft, Richardson’s and Blakes.  We’re still deciding on the size of the boat we’re going to hire – we’d like one comfortable for 4 people and one we can practically and safely handle, but are still working through the choices (at the moment we’re thinking of something like one from the Barnes Brinkcraft elite fleet).

We’re sorry if we weren’t clear - the harnesses we’ve got for them are these ones (https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--child-s-safety-harness--270820/).  They’ll have them on all the time so we can clip a safety line on whenever they go on the front or the deck to ensure they are clipped on or at least held onto by one of us.  Thanks for the tip about avoiding side decks when underway – we’ll definitely make sure they stick to the front deck or back deck only.  Please forgive us if we’re misunderstanding, but some of you said that harnesses weren’t a good option – is there a specific reason why?  Sorry for not knowing about these things!

And thanks so much for the recommendations for the inflatable lifejackets, but we’re not keen on these for the girls and only want the foam type lifejackets for them at their age.  We understand they’re a bit bulkier than the inflatable type, but we know also they’re 100% reliable (no chance of any issues with loose gas cartridges or any risk of them not inflating when they should or shouldn’t).  We obviously expect the odd moan here or there about them, but they will understand and they’ll do that with something any way!  We appreciate the suggestions but we do want them in the foam type and we found so many different ones online there must be one they’ll find comfortable.

We’ve been looking at the Crewsaver ones because they have the safety collar and looked not just the safest, but also best designed to sit/walk/move around in – at least to our untrained eye.  Is this what we should be looking for or are we understanding that this is not the safest type?  Sorry again for the ignorance!

If anyone has any suggestions for foam type lifejackets they have found worked well, or any tips on choosing them, we’d really appreciate it.  And thanks for the tip about trying them on – we’ll be sure to find a store which has whichever ones people recommend and have the girls try them on.

Thank you all very much again for the help and sorry if we weren’t clear and for our lack of knowledge!https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--child-s-safety-harness--270820

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Its a bad idea to have clip on harnesses on the Broads. These are designed for offshore use. In my opinion the concept of using these on the Broads would be dangerous! Having brought up two children on the Broads we only ever used buoyancy aids.  With the exception of the lower Bure and Yare where more caution should be observed, the bulk of the Broads are very safe.  It's far better that should somebody go overboard they can be clear of the boat and thus be able to scramble ashore. Children love the Broads when they are able to explore themselves by using the likes of a dingy. It's not much fun when they are confined to simply sitting and not being allowed to do anything. An 11 and 13 year old should be helping moor up and feeling they are a part of 'the crew'  As I say, having a dingy and letting them learn  to row themselves, could be an important part of their holiday, and will pay dividends.
As a child this is how I got to love the Broads, both my children have fallen in, and I can't remember just how many times I've done it!  Take sensible precautions with life jackets/ buoyancy aids of which the self inflating type are the least restricting,and probably your best option, and above all enjoy yourself! The Broads have always been famous as the learning ground for would be sailors, as far back as Nelson, who learnt to sail on Barton as a child. The generally slow moving waters of the Northern rivers and shallow depths make it a very safe place.

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No need to apologise for lack of knowledge, there's ALWAYS something to learn!
I really don't think safety harnesses are necessary for 11 and 13 year olds. Especially if they're going to be wearing life jackets (of whatever design) at all times on deck. To be realistic, they're only going to be on deck when casting off or mooring up, anyway. But whatever gives you peace of mind without being over-protective. Kids need a bit of freedom in today's climate, in my opinion.  Smile

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I grew up messing about on the River Thurne at Potter from 76 to 93! we never wore buoyancy aids or lifejackets on cruisers, if we were messing about in small dinghy's, learning to row or use the outoard etc, but rather than restricting what they do teach them river safety, never ever have I fallen into any of the rivers. Relax, the river can be incredible freedom for kids and may just become their favourite place on earth



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