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LittleRascal
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Hi all,

I have a Hunter Europa I'm thinking of bringing to the Broads. She's a small (19ft)yacht weighing 750kg.

What size or weight should the mudweight be? I also have a small danforth anchor - would that be frowned on for occaisional use on the Broads?

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I would think something around 20kg would do
I might have an old one going spare, if i can find it
as already disscussed on here anchors are not really suitable for the broads

Alex & Lorna

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Thanks very much!

I seem to have missed that discussion, although I've heard that view expressed in other places...  Could you point me in the right direction for me to read it through please?

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Jon

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For our viking 23 cruiser, weight around 1200kg, is ok with a 28lb weight most of the time, but if there is a risk of wind, or we are on Barton, which has a firm base, then we often put a second weight of  20lb with it.

Overall 48 lb so just over 22kg, so 20kg should be fine, for most conditions.

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LittleRascal, to find other threads on any subject, you can use the search box, which is next to the login button at the top of the thread. Just type your search term(s) in there and hit 'Enter'.

I've taken the liberty of locating a few relevant threads for your perusal. Bear in mind that whatever you put down, you have to pull up again. It's more effective to use a lighter mud-weight and a couple of metres of chain, rather than a heavier weight and just rope.

http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=38&Topic=672&srow=0&erow=10

http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=22&Topic=4753

http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=38&Topic=21119&srow=15&erow=16

http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=45&Topic=16305

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Hi Jon,

Had a little chuckle when I saw your thread title it reminded me of the old wood chuck chucking wood line. Except

"How much mud should a mud weight weigh if a mud weight could weigh mud." Smile

Sorry I'll get me coat.
Regards
John

So you want me to moor stern on here?...in this wind?...and tide?...no probs????

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Even if your boat is quite small, with a mast and rig catching the wind, you need quite a bit on the bottom to stop you drifting in a breeze.  If your boat bermuda rigged?  Does it have cross trees?  If either answer is 'Yes', that will put up your windage quite a bit.

Chain is great, but it does get horribly covered in mud, so your deck can get pretty messy when you pull it up.  I have a slightly bigger yacht (but still small-ish), and use 56lb (roughly 25kg) on rope.  Messing about with different weights for different conditions means you are carrying several mudweights around, and have to stow them somewhere.  So, I'd echo the advice to have about 20kg for your boat.

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Thanks for the links...

So the issue with anchors is more about practicality (holding power) rather than any ethical or ecological reason then?

The problem I have is that this is likely to be a two week trip in the spring so any large investment is out of the question. I would expect to spend a few nights on the anchor/mudweight, and some nights on moorings. The appeal of the anchor being partly price! Smile

I'm quite happy with anchoring in general (scope, shelter, fetch, chain etc) but if the holding is really that bad perhaps I ought to go for a weight as well? My danforth is pretty modest for the boat, 8.5lb I think. But I've not had any trouble in high winds with it.


John - I'm afraid I'm not the first to come up with the tongue twister  Blush  it's in one of those other threads... Great minds and all that!

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Jon

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Jeremy-Aslan,

Yes bermudan... but not a large rig: the mast is 8m. I'm likely to be undercanvassed most of the time!

The boat itself has pretty low windage.


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8lb is not very much if it doesn't dig in  -  which can be the problem on the Broads.  But then, if you are only on a two-week 'visitor' licence, I can fully understand not wanting to invest in a huge lump for such a short term.

One thing to note is that there are a lot of places you can moor to a bank for free, so wanting to anchor to save money does not apply in the same way as the costs of using marinas when coastal sailing.  However, there may be times you want to stop in the middle of a broad, maybe just for lunch, or to get the sails up/down, etc.

On many broads, you may find that your light Danforth simply does not hold, but ploughs through the soft upper layers of the mud.  You may be able to combine a small weight (say 10kg) with the Danforth.  You could hunt around for anything suitable, perhaps, even asking at local scrapyards, maybe  -  although you don't want something with sharp edges that would damage your boat.  You might even find a 10kg 'weight', such as used by market traders;  my mudweight is actually an old 56lb weight for weighing.



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