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I am going to the BSS Examiners update meeting in Wroxham today and will try and post a report here tonight. I don't know whether Paul has mentioned it but there is a copy of the notes sent out by BSS HQ on the Hampton Safari Owners site.

If I comply there will be a hole under the water line! Bill...

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That was raised need to look back Bullet, points being sent Post Haste.

B.A. seem to be going around in ever decreasing you know what's, Sorry but need to be fed. But If you have a brazed copper tank or think you need to lift an engine to fit a tray hang on just a moment.  I know that's not going to thrill some!  


We didn't think that maggots could crawl up the side and come in the window.   Bill...

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I have started a second thread for specific points which occur during examinations in order that they are all in one place and hope that that thread will stay factual. I am hoping thet other examiners will be joining the forum so you can get the breadth of view.

I wish to make clear however that I am not prepared to pass any comment on the views or actions of any other examiner and I am sure others will not do so either. If you are in any way unhappy or unclear about the outcome of your boat's examination you must talk to Watford 01.923.201272 or bss.enquiries@boatsafetyscheme.com

I must admit it did not really suprise me to hear the B.A. was going round & round in circles but I did not expect it to come from the lips of Mr Richardson himself.

We didn't think that maggots could crawl up the side and come in the window.   Bill...

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It's years since I played with outboards but in those days I am sure you could buy oil/petrol proof bags with draw string at the top and a clamp to make a air tight seal. The idea was to avoid smells and grease etc if left in the cabin. or cuddy. Do they still make them today? The actual requirement is on the other string and there is no reference to fire resistance just as you say to part 7 storage. Subject to what Watford might say and a condition check I wonder whether they might be allowed to comply. I presume the problem is that you want to store upright, yes? If so when you see the new Guide which will be on line shortly take a look at 7.2.3 side open lockers are now covered  a bit reluctently.

You queried whether insurers might get worried last night If such bags are still made then I would have thought that they would regard you as having exercised a proper duty of care. But only they could say for definate. As I say elsewhere there is not a problem of a failure

We didn't think that maggots could crawl up the side and come in the window.   Bill...

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I noticed on my toll application form today, that if you get the BSS and show proof of it to the BA before July 2005, they will extend it by one year giving you five years.

I have mixed feelings about this, firstly I didn't think the BSS was regulated by the BA, but applied on the Broads by the BA. Secondly how can the BA extend the certificate.

On the other hand having already got the BSS certificate it is nice to gain an extra year, although for my own peace of mind I would probably want the boat checked earlier than five years time. Especially if I was going to sell the boat, because I'm guessing now that selling a boat with a newish BSS certificate is going to help the price, a bit like having a long MOT on a car.

Keith

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You are right the scheme is not.
You are right there is a catch.
I will try and do two postings one an update on the Broads situation the other on an update on BSS I realy need to compose in word and having lost a day there is a fair bit of catching up to do so bear with me. I thought that the other thread was the more important because it might save someone unnecessary expense. Tthere are a lot of half informed thruths floating around so I want to be careful to get it right on this site at least. Frown

Here's plenty of room before the bridge to get the screen down   Bill...

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Bill,

As requested I am posting the query again here.

What is the situation with a Camping Gaz burner screwed directly onto and Gaz bottle?

Regards

Simon

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Morning Simon, I have put a tech reply to your query on the other thread and also a follow u on roy's comment. Sorry I have not got round to the report on the meeting yet. Started doing as two posting one on the broads situation and the other on the revised scheme.

Sitting there looking at what I had written about the former I remebered one of the facts passed on namely that on average an inland waterways boat changes hands every 3 years. So thought that I had better start again as I might be assuming more than was the case for guests at least.

I hope Richard does not mind but when talking to BSS office yesterday afternoon I did suggest that they might like to join the forum both as a way of keeping their ears to the ground and to nip misunderstandings in the bud.

Here's plenty of room before the bridge to get the screen down   Bill...

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Paul wrote on the other thread:
What is your take on LPG storage lockers, the guide talks about the locker being flameproof or resistant. My lockers are just bare lockers (GRP boat) What are boat owners doing to make their boats compliant in this area?

I presume we are talking Aston seamaster 30 from your pic. The question of thickness has been addressed because it was accepted that if one or two sides were the hull where was no point in demanding that the others were thicker (7.4.5) Use of Fire restistant resin could never be checked short of setting the boat alight so has been dropped. (if you are doing any reglassing however it's clearly a good idea to use it).

I don't know which Concorde layout you have got But I suspect the pipe run is going to be the problem. Much of it will be concealed. Including the Bulkhead fitting from the locker. Also check that the top of the locker is actually sealed right up to the deck in mine it wasn't. I don't know where you are based but David Pipe at Princess Cruisers (EX Aston -Loddon) is the corgi fitter most experienced in dealing with this model.



Here's plenty of room before the bridge to get the screen down   Bill...

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PLEASE NOT THE REVISED REGS ONLY APPLY TO PRIVATE CRAFT AND COME INTO EFFECT AS OF THE FIRST OF APRIL 2005 FROM THAT DATE ALL PRIVATE BOATS WILL BE CHECKED ON THE NEW BASIS. THE BROADS AUTHORITIES USE OF THE BSS IS NOT YET ENFORCABLE BUT NOWHERE WILL THE OLD CRITERIA BE USED AFTER THE 1ST APRIL TO ISSUE A NEW CERTIFICATE FROM THE BSS OFFICE.

Bill....



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