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capelmist
Mar-24-2005 @ 6:11 PM                           Permalink
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Just had an email from the Broads Authority regarding a reduction in tolls for hire cruisers and unpowered craft. A step in the right direction i think. What do you all think?

regards john

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it's a bit difficult to comment without some details. Can you let us know what the e-mail said.

Generally, I don't think the current tolls are excessive.

Nigel
Ludham

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It looks as though the document in question has been published on the NSBA noticeboard at http://www.thegreenbook.org.uk/noticeboard/noticeboard.asp  

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Thanks Paul for the informaton.

The changes proposed are fairly minor. They are (in summary):

Reduce the hire boat multiplier from x3 to x2.7 over 3 years.
Reduce small non-powered boats (rowing boats, canoes) from £24.70 to £20.00)
Introduce a 3 month license
Extend the youth groups scheme to include sailing boats as well as canoes.

I am not sure what difference the hire boat changes will make. The small boat bit seems a good idea. They seem expensive at the moment compared to power boats and the potential damage they do is much less. At the Hoveton and Wroxham Sea Scouts, we will welcome the new youth group scheme for our Toppers.

These changes seem to be not much to me, but are generally welcome. As I said before, I am happy to contribute to the upkeep and governance of the Broads in this way. It seems quite cheap to me.

Nigel
Ludham

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It has always seemed to me that "going electric" is another form of that distasteful leftover fom the 1980's, namely "nimbyism".
Unless the charge is generated from solar or wind power (probably not economical for this application, it comes, like 70% of our electricity, from the burning of fossil fuel. Since there are no power generating stations within Broadland ( I exclude the West Somerton Wind Farm), it neccesarily follows that by converting from fossil fuel one is simply exporting elsewhere about 99.99% of the polution that a motor powered boat generates. One must also consider the environmental impact of the manufacture of the storage cells. At present Lead/Acid is the most obvious, and there are problems associated with their manufacture. Add to this the issue of their disposal at the end of their life and it is clear that electric power, with present technology, is nowhere near as green as it is painted.
We should, insted of offering discounts to electric powered craft, be campaigning for biodiesel to be made more widely available. This is truely green, being carbon dioxide neutral.

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I suppose its all in the small print. Todays E.D.P.quotes a rise for private owners of more than 60% over five years. In my experience its not the private owners that run dawn to dusk flat out seven days a week, rather the hirers "getting their money`s worth" trying to see all the network in their weeks holiday. Add this to the (in my view)unnessary expense of the boat safety scheme, the proposed loss of red diesel use, and I get the distinct feeling someone in the Broads Authority dosn`t want me, only my cash.They claim its to bring the tolls in line with other national waterways, presumably the canals, but where are our locks, pumping stations, tunnels etc ?

I feel better now.  Will I pay up? Of course I will. Life without a boat ? I dont think so.

Clive

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I found poppy's reply interesting and am inclinded to agree that if you do a full audit 'Lecies' may not be as green as they seem especially when you take power losses into account. They may work on the northern rivers but I do have concerns about the sockets they are putting on the Chet I am not sure what is going to happen with an electric boat at Reedham with the tide against you.

If they do get rid of red I hope there will be a campaign to get green prices down to the same level. If not it will kill boating for a fair number of retired people. Either that or they will just sit on their moorings and watch the yachts Cool Indifference

You don't have to tell us anything my Brother in Law has a boat on the upper Thames  Bill...


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