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There has been a lot mentioned on here and other places about the decline of the Southern Broads, and yet personally I prefer the Southern Broads, for the wide open rivers, ample mooring at places such as Oulton Broads, Beccles, Waveney River Centre, Reedham and Norwich. Secluded spots such as Geldeston and Thorpe. Good towns such as Beccles and Norwich.

Richard has mentioned that he will be rushing South on his holiday, and I would think the rivers are some of the best for sailing, apart from Somerleyton bridge Smile  so just why is the Southern side in such decline compared to the North.

Which do you prefer, North or South?
What needs to be done to bring trade back to the South?

Keith

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I think that it maybe because people are not sure about crossing Breydon Water.  It could also have something to do with the fact that most of the boat yards are on the North.

We try to go south if the tide permits.

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I know that Wroxham is the Capital of the Broads and that there are more boatyards on the North, but you would have thought with less compition the boatyards on the South would be more sustainable, and yet the reverse appears to be true. I must admit to always having hired from the North side, but on balence have normally spent the majoity of the week on the South side. I always look forward to the two long days of cruising, going South across Breydon Water and the reverse trip.

Keith

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I have sailed all my life on the Northern  Rivers and Broads.   I find the rivers prettier and all the Broads are within easy reach of our mooring.  The best sailing is without doubt above Potter Bridge and the Bure from St. Benets down.

Simon

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Could I just make the distinction between the decline in hire fleets on the Southern Rivers as oppossed to the situation re private moorings. If you take into account marinas on Lake Lothing, Oulton broad, Somerleyton, St Olaves, Beccles, Geldeston, Loddon Langley & Hardley, Brundell and Thorpe The actual numbers of boats based south is proably not much less than it was 20 years ago. It's just that they are privately owned. On average I suppose they bring in maybe £1500 a year each of which £1000 in effect is profit over a yard's direct costs. By comparison a hire craft generates perhaps half that, if you are lucky. Given that the owner is commited for the year, in most cases, they provide a degree of certainity. The fact that most owners will take them out less often leaves, as you say, the rivers much less crowded. If you have a club house like Brundell Bay then I suspect that is the real money spinner.

The fact that the big hire fleets have main bases north of Gt.Yarmouth might have something to do with it to. I fear that some, may well suggest to newcomers that they stick to the northern rivers so that they are easier to get to if they have problems.

You Clearly have to respect tides south of Breydon but providing you follow the advice with modern boats you should not really have any problem. If you have not been boating before, and I guess their may be some guests at least to this forum who have not, the one thing to watch is the tide GOING BACK north. If you cannot get under the Gt Yarmouth bridges, there is no place to moor and wandering back and forth on Breydon does get a bit irritating. Tide tables and Predictors are a guide but you can also ring the Yacht Station on 01 493 842794 for up to date advice

We didn't think that maggots could crawl up the side and come in the window.   Bill...

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As keith mentioned I prefer the sailing on the southern rivers, mainly because they're a bit wider and there are fewer things for me to run in to.

But then again as Simon points the Thurne above potter is a lovely place to sail, if I can get lapwing through Potter bridge we'll go up there this year (of course it would help to know the air draft of the boat Jenny are you reading this ?)

I find that the pubs are better on the southern rivers, but that might just be a perception problem on my part as I don't like crowds.

On the other hand there is more to see on the the northern rivers, lovely scenery and all that.

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It's a bit like asking who do you love more Mum or Dad?
We tend to alternate as we are most often on a short break and crossing Breydon would take up too much time.

What do you get when you cross Breydon Water and a wrong tide? Smile

Wet!

Kind Regards, thiswan.

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We always hire from the Southern Broads and head straight to the North the day after picking up the boat.

Not logical really, I know, but we prefer the Northern rivers, and like to hire from Loddon.

There was only one exception - World Cup year. We watched one of the early morning England matches in a pub, stayed on to drown our sorrows, and somehow!!! forgot to leave in time to catch low tide at Yarmouth.


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Tend to stick to the North most of the time, simply because (1) that's where we keep the boat and (2) it's where most of the racing is.  I do like sailing on the Southern rivers, but somehow never feel quite so "at home" as on the more tranquil Northern Broads.  And I don't mind admitting that I'm still always a little apprehensive before a passage through Yarmouth... Pizzalover's recent tale struck a chord; you know the feeling, glancing over the side all the way down from Stokesby to see if the tide is slowing, convincing yourself as you go past the marina that it's stopped, only to remember at the last minute how narrow it gets by Vauxhall Bridge and then realising it's still absolutely hossing it past the yacht station!

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hi all '
love both north and south broads ,but most of time up north end ,where our boat is kept ,but when we are there for a week or fortnight go south and travel around Smile

steve and vicky

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