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Interesting article in EDP today where Norfolk county council have voted to break the law and fix Carrow road bridge so that it will not open .

The arguement being it isn't used much ignoring the fact that one reason for that is it is so tempramental.

The BA response response is to say it will be controversial and are awaiting navcoms comments . Too right .

My apologies but I can't get my phone to share the link. I am sure someone else will have it .

Graham



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Here we go:
First Carrow Road bridge no more lifts.
Since a precedent has now been set,
next Trowse bridge is replaced with a fixed bridge for operational reasons.
then Somerleyton bridge is welded shut to save on repairs.
then Reedham bridge is welded shut to save on repairs.


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Here is the link https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/concerns-over-move-to-stop-carrow-bridge-lifting-7814468

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Welcome to the forum, Philosophic. Do I detect a note of cynicism in your post?

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Here is the info from Network Rail re the work they are undertaking on Reedham & Somerleyton
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/anglia/improving-the-railway-in-anglia/swing-bridge-renewals/
We can all watch the BA discussion at the Navigation Committee on 15th April



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”Norfolk County Council's cabinet agreed on Monday for work which would temporarily fix Carrow Bridge, more than a century old, into place.”

I wonder if the County Council’s dictionary is the same as the one used by the BNA, when they ‘temporarily’ closed Cockshoot Broad?

But this seems to be a bit of a conundrum for the Broads No-Authority. Will they live up to their rebranded title? Is this pay-back time?

Members will recall that Norfolk County Council employed some very creative interpretation of the Traffic Sign Regulations and allowed the BNA to install a number of spurious signs on the highway at various points, advertising the non-existent Broads National Park. The NCC also summarily dismissed (or blocked) complaints that the signs were unlawful, without ever satisfactorily considering, let alone rebutting, the evidence that was presented to them.

Now the boot is on the other foot. Norfolk County Council proposes to do something that is equally unlawful and will be looking to the Broads No-Authority for support. The officer’s report to the NavCom should make for interesting reading.



"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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I realise people will see it as the thin end of the wedge, and I understand where they are coming from, but does anyone have any figures for the actual lifts carried out annually for each of the last five years for Trowse and Carrow? And of course, Trowse does open - but not when you want it to. Actually who does?

It is not appropriate IMHO to lump Reedham and Somerleyton, and Oulton too, into the same conversation as I believe there are ongoing talks with NR to make changes to the operating mechanisms on all three. I know budgets and time frames always slip but at least the BA and NR are actually talking regularly about the improvements planned on all three which is much better than what was happening, or not, in the past!

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Hi Marshman

Don't think it is fair to use actual usage as a measure of demand when so much effort has been put into discouraging use for so many years. Carrow bridge is a road bottleneck in the Norwich ring road and it would be a nightmare for the road planners if it was made to operate as envisaged and give priority to River traffic .

I read the 1947 Norwich strategic plan in the New Year  , yes I did say 1947. Even back then it recognised the problem and it recommended a road flyover that by passed the bridge and allowed both traffic and boats to flow freely.

It is disingenuous as well as illegal for  road planners to ignore the historic evidence.

Graham



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Oh I know all the problems it used to cause in the 60's!!!

The office telephonist used to get in all kinds of trouble after we used to nip down to the Woods End for a nibble and she was late!!!!!!

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May be a better way would be to demolish it and build a modern bridge that will give a higher air gap. realistically how many flybridge boats go up there they cant moor anywhere legally same may be with the rail bridge unless sea cadets get another minesweeper difficult one, i think we should be realistic, may be have a vote from boat owners, may be in exchange more 24/48 hr moorings along that stretch could be provided so easier to visit the new facilities along there. John

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