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If you want reliable information go to the engine driver not the passengers. John

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Reliable information appears to be in very short supply right now. Following on from the Herbert Woods case , earlier today, on NBN, the Broads No-Authority stated:

”It's correct that some of what we have been told to relay by DEFRA, particularly around the hire of open-topped boats from 8 March, is somewhat at odds with the legislation about those businesses being required to be closed at the moment. We and others have raised our concerns with them about this and as far as I am aware they are seeking to iron it out with the Cabinet Office at the moment.”

"...somewhat at odds with the legislation about those businesses being required to be closed at the moment."

That is something of an understatement. The advice on the BNA web site about the hiring of day boats is totally at odds with the legislation. As it has now been acknowledged that the information provided is wrong, why hasn’t it been taken off the web site, until such time as it is corrected?

“...told to relay by DEFRA...” I recall DEFRA telling them, in no uncertain terms, that they couldn’t use the National Park name, and look how that turned out. Sorry, but trying to shift the blame doesn’t work.

I haven’t looked too far ahead, as the timetable for reducing restrictions may change, but I found this nugget in the BNA advice:

”Step 1.2 -  29 March
Whilst some boating activities are permitted at this stage, movement is limited. The instruction is to minimise travel where possible and avoid travelling long distances.

Private boats
Private boating permitted for recreation for a single household or bubble (if vessel is enclosed), or for 6 people / 2 households per boat (if vessel is open air, provided it is outdoors and social distancing can be maintained between people from different households).
There remains a requirement to minimise travel and stay local.

Self drive day hire
Private boating permitted for recreation for a single household or bubble (if vessel is enclosed), or for 6 people / 2 households per boat (if vessel is open air, provided it is outdoors and social distancing can be maintained between people from different households).
There remains a requirement to minimise travel and stay local.”


Does anyone proof-read this stuff before it’s published?


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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Does anyone proof-read this stuff before it’s published?
STUFF what a great description....

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How can two bubbles social distance on any boat let alone a day boat whats difficult to work that out. John

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Yes, social distancing is rather difficult on a boat, but my point was more this glaring error:

Private boats
Private boating permitted...


Self drive day hire
Private boating permitted...


Copy/pasting at its worst.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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I wonder if the wording you seem concerned about might actually be correct?

It could be read as a household of individual on a boat counts as 'Private Boating' whether they own the boat or not, as opposed to a commecrial trip.

We may use the distinction between 'Private' and 'Hire', but is that narrow definition necessarily what the term 'Private' is being used for in this context?

So, going on a Trip Boat would not be 'Private Boating', because the actual operation of the vessel is being done by a commercial company, but private individuals navigating a vessel themselves would count as 'Private' as opposed to 'Commercial'.

Just perhaps?


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That's a very kind assessment, but I don't think it would go down very well if the hire companies tried to toll the day boats at the private rate using that argument  Smile

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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