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Paladine
Mar-03-2021 @ 12:11 PM                           Permalink
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This is the current guidance on travel from HMG https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#travel

"Travel

You must not leave your home unless you have a reasonable excuse (for example, for work or education purposes).

If you need to travel you should stay local. This means you should avoid travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live. You should reduce the number of journeys you make overall.

The list of reasons you can leave your home and local area include, but are not limited to:
•     work, where you cannot reasonably work from home
•     accessing education and for caring responsibilities
•     visiting those in your support bubble – or your childcare bubble for childcare
•     visiting hospital, GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your health
•     buying goods or services that you need, but this should be within your local area wherever possible
•     outdoor exercise. This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your area to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)
•     attending the care and exercise of an animal, or veterinary services
If you need to travel, walk or cycle where possible, plan ahead and if you are able to do so avoid busy times and routes on public transport. This will allow you to practise social distancing while you travel."



"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Yes, we've read and stuck to those rules. We live in a small village with zero shops. Have to travel about 10/12 miles for a full supermarket, 2 or 3 miles to another village where we have always used the bakery, butcher, etc.

There's a favourite walking area of ours but it's more than a few miles away so during lockdowns (when travel is of course limited) we have stuck to walks within the locality. Getting a bit boring now for 2021! But it is what it is. At least we are fit and able enough to get outdoors and so we count ourselves very fortunate in that regard. A year or more now since we've seen Mikes mum who lives alone in Herefordshire. Zoom is helpful but a tad annoying when we are all trying to speak at once ! May summer bring us all more joy and less stress and upset.

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Right I think I have gotten my head around this travel situation and the rules at each stage.  Here's my thoughts

Currently

We are required to "Stay at home", see the link and narrative provided by Paladine.  The bit about not leaving your village etc is a guide to prevent unnecessary travel when leaving home in the circumstances allowed.  So we can leave home to shop for food and if you have shops in your village you should use these rather than travelling further afield.  This was articulated by Karen who described using local shops where possible.

The source of the following is the COVID Response - Spring 2021  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963491/COVID-19_Response_-_Spring_2021.pdf

From 8th March

There is no change on travel the instruction is "Stay at Home"

From 8 March, the Stay at Home restriction will continue but it will be amended so that people can leave home for recreation as well as exercise outdoors - with their own household, support or childcare bubble, or with one person from another household. Social distancing and other safe behaviours should be followed.

From 29th March

Travel changes from "Stay at Home" to "minimise travel" and "no holidays". There is nothing in 29th March section to elaborate on minimise travel.  I take this to mean "Stay at Home" no longer applies and whilst you can leave home for example to participate in outdoor sports you should minimise the distance you travel to do so.  The instruction to avoid travelling outside your village becomes nonsensical as you are unlikely to have golf, tennis etc in your locality.

The BA on their website entry "Lockdown Roadmap and the Broads" have stated from 29th March "The instruction is to STAY LOCAL (stay in the village, town or part of the city where you live)."  Once again they have placed their own interpretation on the rules and given a false statement which does not exist in the GOV paper.

In essence I can play football, go swimming, golf, tennis, basketball etc etc but only if these facilities are available in my village.

And so it is with boating you can only use your boat if it is in your village.  You might say its guidance only and be sensible but by putting it on their website the BA place those who choose to travel outside their village in the firing line for doing what they are allowed to do.





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Forresters, as you have rightly identified, the BNA have got it wrong AGAIN. I really don't know why they bother. Better to give no advice than wrong advice.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Precisely !

As someone asked recently - is the BA fit for purpose? Well clearly not when an "authority" can't even quote or interpret the rules and guidelines in a national crisis such as the Covid pandemic, and get it wrong every single time!

Either that or there is a purposeful twisting of some sort going on. It has to be one or the other! After all it's not a case of the office junior sending out a message in error or as a joke is it? Senior and therefore well paid "persons"must be responsible for this.

The effect as Forresters rightly mentions, is that people may be castigated or worse for their actually reasonable and within the law actions. Last summer we had boatyards banning customers unfairly and unjustly,  outside of the rules , because they had taken their stance after being guided , wrongly, by the BA !

Not fit for purpose?  or worse -  unfit through intended manipulation and misrepresentation   ? Poll anyone ?

Karen  

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Ok what is going on at Wroxham
BoAt lights on curtains closed
Next day lights off curtains open
Anybody there??

Keep That Boating Smile
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If your referring to the boat opposite barnes brinkcraft,  there is a livaboard there ,

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Karen wrote "Not fit for purpose?  or worse -  unfit through intended manipulation and misrepresentation   ?"

I think we all know the answer to that question!

At least with 'normal' district councils you get the opportunity to vote out your representatives every few years but with the BNA they, or the Secretary of State, would just fill the void with co-opted JP clones.

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As you would expect, the BA have placed their own interpretation on the guidelines. Bit sad really but to be honest did anyone expect them to do otherwise?

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Of more concern is that these 'directions' are meant to be produced in consultation with DEFRA which infers that either a HMG Department cannot fathom their own guidance or the BNA choose to ignore the DEFRA answers that they do not like.

For comparison this is what the CRT say about the same initial period of time:

"There is no change until Step 1 part 2, potentially from 29 March, when it is anticipated that the official stay at home order will end but people will be encouraged to stay local. Limited local boat movement may be possible but you should avoid travelling if your boat is not located close to where you live, and only those living aboard are permitted to make an overnight stay."

Considerably less draconian in tone!

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You may consider the CRT statement to be of a different tone - but it is essentially saying the same thing. Does this not support the position that BA are merely trying to represent the Govt and DEFRA guidance and not trying to frustrate boat owners as many seem to suggest?

AndyH

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