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Jun-28-2014 @ 11:43 AM                           Permalink
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We had our first Broads holiday last week and it was absolutely great. The only point which marred a great fortnight was "the fat controller" at Ranworth. We had just moored up for lunch after a short journey from the yard where we collected our boat when this chap appeared with a clipboard telling us that it was a 24 hour mooring and we had been there the night before, no explanation was good enough for him. Later in the day(3 hrs)a person from the wildlife place appeared with the same dirge.
This was then followed by a ranger who told us somebody had reported us for staying 2 days at a 24 hr mooring and told us we would be reported.
A very simple explanation was that the previous hirer had spent the night at the mooring and we had returned in the same boat within the stipulated period. Does the rule apply to people or the boat and it is interesting that a local charity is doing broads authority work ably assisted by "the fat controller"

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Jun-28-2014 @ 8:26 PM                           Permalink
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No idea what the answer is, but insulting people who are just doing their (Probably unpaid)job, is a bit naughty in my opinion!

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Jun-28-2014 @ 8:53 PM                           Permalink
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kimberlyb, prima facie, you were in the wrong, hard as it may be to accept.

The Navigation Bye Laws are very clear on this point - quote:

Bye Law 61

(1) This Byelaw applies where, by a notice displayed at or near any place, the Authority has prohibited mooring for more than a limited period or has restricted the number of times a vessel may use that place for mooring in a limited period.

(2) The master of a vessel shall not cause or permit the vessel to be moored in a place in contravention of any prohibition or restriction contained in a notice referred to in paragraph (1).

“Master” in relation to a vessel means any person whether the owner, master, hirer or other person lawfully or unlawfully having or taking command or charge or management of the vessel for the time being.


So the fact that you may not have been the master on the previous day(s) is of no consequence. It is the vessel that is not to be moored in contravention of the bye law, and it is the master at the time of the contravention who is liable.

There is, of course, a defence available "( a )that he/she took all reasonable precautions and exercised due diligence to avoid the commission of such an offence;
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( b ) that he/she had a reasonable excuse for the act or failure to act.
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Edited to add, I'm very pleased that efforts are being made to prevent misuse of what are very popular, and therefore very busy, moorings.










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Jun-28-2014 @ 9:06 PM                           Permalink
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Precisely "Reasonable Excuse"
So hopefully someone will pop round and have a chat with the person with the clipboard about "Interfering with the lawful mooring of any vessel"

Many Thanks Tim

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Jun-28-2014 @ 9:33 PM                           Permalink
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My apologies, perhaps I shouldn't have expected anyone to bother to read the bye laws for themselves. The preamble to the defences bit of the bye laws is "In any proceedings for an offence under these Byelaws it shall be a defence for a person charged to prove:..."

It is for a court to decide whether the defence is proved, not a ranger, a man-with-a-clip-board, or anyone else. On the face of it, the vessel was NOT lawfully moored.



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Jun-28-2014 @ 11:20 PM                           Permalink
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But there will be evidence, in that the 'master' of the vessel took command on the day.

So he has reasonable cause to claim he did not know of the mooring the day before, which could thus make the mooring indeed lawful.


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Jun-28-2014 @ 11:34 PM                           Permalink
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No my apologies I had assumed that the clipboard contained the records of more than one boat movement.
And while a the Master of a leisure boat is only advised to have knowledge of the byelaws, to obtain a qualification it is necessary to have a working knowledge of the byelaws of the area of operation.



Many Thanks Tim

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Jun-28-2014 @ 12:01 AM                           Permalink
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OK 'fat controller' is hardly pleasant or respectful, and has put Kimberly on the wrong foot, but surely this isn't the only instance of returning hire craft? I can't imagine that anyone checking moorings would be unaware of changeover days and Malthouse is a popular last and first night destination. Kimberly could not possibly have known that the boat was on a repeat trip. Maybe a courteous response would have been all that was needed from her party to clear the matter up, but maybe the person checking was being unresponsive to the situation?

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Jun-28-2014 @ 12:22 AM                           Permalink
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All that was required was a courteous, common sense interpretation of both the situation and the rules.

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Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/

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You just said in one sentence what I rambled on to say in the paragraph above. Cheers

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