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Dennis
Nov-04-2005 @ 8:22 PM                           Permalink
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I am a new member of the forum so am gettting used to using it.

I have purchased freehold moorings, a Birchwood 22 motor cruiser and have a West Wight Potter sailing boat I have just retrieved from where I previously kept it on a farm near Salcombe.

The moorings are in a private boat dyke off the River Waveney and need dredging. Does anyone have any experience of organising dredging of a private boat dyke and (hopefully) using the dredgings to raise the level of the plots of land that go with the moorings?

Whilst I have had plenty of experience of different types of boating in various locations including the Norfolk Broads, I have no experience of organising dredging. I was advised to join and post a message here.

Other neighbouring plot and mooring owners seem to have differing and rather confusing views on the subject. There is some agreement that it needs to be done but little enthusiasm for organising it.

I have emailed the Broads Authority but they seem to want me to decide how it will be arranged before letting me know the procedure for approval. As I am not sure the best way to arrange it, I am asking for advice and will be very grateful for any offered.

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Dennis

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Hi Dennis

There is no simple answer to this.

I have had my boat dyke (and indeed the river) dredged in the past. I then used the spoil to raise the level of the bank. The bungalow owners at Potter Heigham all used to do this regularly. However:

Recently it has been a problem using the spoil to build up the bank. No problem in getting the dredging done but could not get permission to put it back on the bank and it had to be taken away. Most bungalow owners now get topsoil or other similar stuff delivered.

You need to speak to a local dredging contractor who will advise you what permissions you need and what you can and can't do in your bit of the broads. I am sure there will be a member of this forum from the southern rivers who can tell you the names of local contractors. Paul Thain does a lot of the work in the Potter area but I don't know if he ventures as far away as the Waveney.

If you are allowed to use spoil to build up your plot then you will need a lot more than you think. You have to let it dry out before you can spread it out and it shrinks a lot.

Any work on the quay heading or any work that affects the height of the land needs planning permission. Usually the contractor will arrange this for you.

It's messy and hard work, but ultimately worth it.

Good luck.

Nigel
Ludham

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Hi Dennis
Welcome to the forum.
I think Nigel summed it up brilliantly in his first line.

Your problems are not only dealing with the authorities but getting a group to agree on what needs to be done and how much each of them has to pay. Getting a contractor in will probably be the easy bit. If you just want dredging done then you nearest may well be Goodchild Marine http://www.goodchildmarine.co.uk/dredging.htm . If you need quay heading or jetties to construct that require piling then most river contractors will do the dredging as well. Chris Prior Dredging and Quay Heading certainly covers the Northern Broads and does do work on the Southern Broads as well. 01692 536219 Mobile 07767 788234. Definitely more likely to get him on the mobile.

You are probably going to need planning consent from the local authority, the Broads Authority and the Environment Agency. In any event they will be concerned about how the dredgings are used. You may or may not be able to use them as Nigel says. When I was at Brundall we had letters warning that we couldn't use the dredgings from the EA, but the BA wouldn't allow clean soil to be used without planning consent and in one case a land owner was forced to remove spoil brought in from elsewhere. They have been similar cases elsewhere on the Broads. Sorry but it's a nightmare.

There is in my experience usually a disclaimer on most estimates to effect that it is your responsibility to arrange necessary consents and they will probably insist on stage payments if there are several people involved. You really need to get every one to pay up front. Do you have some kind of users association all ready in place ? Don't be the person who becomes responsible for any shortfall if others don't pay up.

Just one other thought, are you having any flood defence work done in the future or is there any dredging already being done by May Gurney as you well find you get a good price for the job if the equipment is already in the area.

Good luck.


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Nov-04-2005 @ 10:29 PM                           Permalink
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Hi Dennis,

Welcome to the forum - you might find this thread interesting - nothing to do with dredging though ! http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=35&Topic=1903&keywords=salcombe

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My immediate thought was are MG still dredging the town reach in Beccles, if so I would speak to them before that work finishes. You may just fall very lucky.

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Welcome Dennis,

Any work to the bank will require a B.A. work permit as has been said things tend to get very complicated.  Not all decisions seem to be very rational. The B.A. are always concerned at changes of appearance which is a bit odd considering the clearance work that goes on. You don’t indicate whether the area is built up.

The best hope, if defence work is resulting in the level of the ronds being raised, is that it would be illogical not raise the banks of the dyke. The question remains however whether you can use your own dredgings.  


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Thank you to all who have responded so very promptly to my questions about dredging. Many very useful points have been made and I am in the process of acting on the advice. Any further comments are very welcome.

With luck I might be able to make some progress so I can get out onto the R. Waveney at all states of the tide during the next year's main boating season!
Thanks again,
DennisTextText


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