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As previously discussed, I've started this thread as it was a topical
subject at Ludham Bridge Boatyard!!
However, the original thread 'Save Ludham Bridge Boatyard??' was
discussing more important issues at the moment.

For you information, I have attached an official 'permissable' map
detailing the public right of way. This belongs to the Horning Parish,
Ludham Parish has not arranged anything as of yet, however the EA has
been in contact with them.

In response to me chasing the Ludham Parish last week they are
basically saying they don't have any plans to change anything at the
moment.
And in my last meeting with them they advised me to put up signs
saying 'no public right of way' until the issue is resolved.

If anyone has any factual information i.e. old records or old OS maps
etc that will help sort this out, or if anyone has the time to help sort
this matter, please let me know.

Thank you

  

  

  

They say that 'Hard work never killed anyone' however, sleepless
nights, stress, not taking breaks & not eating correctly may just get you
there early!!

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oops I was in a hurry, and forgot to attach anything!


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As you can see the boatyard is a long way from the permissible walk!

We have recently invested in replacing the quay heading on our
moorings as this was becoming very dangerous, and not one authority
could agree what needed to be done! In fact, the whole boatyard site
has been neglected for many years, and I was amazed to see that
people were still  expected to work in the damp & cold conditions
during the winter months, this is why we got the H&S & local councils
involved. During these meetings the 'public right of way' was brought
to our attention.

H&S are now extremely happy with the progress we have made but
would like to have the footpath issue formalised. Mainly due to the
crane, power tools & chemicals we use in the boatyard.
  


  



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You're absolutely right Jason, as far as I am aware, there has never been a formal "Public Right of Way"  through the boatyard to the riverbank beyond.

In fact, the permissive footpath itself has only been in existence for about 5 years, at the instigation of the late Laurie Ritchie, of Ludham Hall, which manages that Crown Estate land. He opened up a great many footpaths on the estate, greatly benefiting local walkers and holiday makers.

When the EA carried out their extensive earthworks for the flood alleviation scheme, they preserved the access.

I realise it's not a legal right, but the owners/tenants of Ludham Bridge Boatyard have up to now allowed people to get to the permissive footpath through their side gate.

Although your official maps show alternative access, I'm afraid that's not practical for holidaymakers and hikers because that field often contains a Bull, as I've shown on this section of O/S.

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I cannot see any problem with having the footpath go around the yard for goodness sake, there is plenty of room after all.   I do tend to think that the phrase 'permissive rights but might be cattle and a bull in the field' would put me off venturing any further than the end of the field and at the stile.  Trying to out run a bull is not an occupation that I would take on.

Hope you get it all sorted soon and common sense kicks in.

M

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Thank you for this as this is useful & interesting information on the
subject.

As you say, since the flood defence has been done the area is a nice
place to walk and its an ideal route to St Benets Abbey. Unfortunately as
you know time changes, people change & situations change and then
'No win no fee' solicitors appeared!

As I have mentioned we are happy for a Public Footpath to be granted
through the boatyard, but the ground subsidence is now a serious
problem.  This year I have seen at least two people fall & one wheel
chair tip over because of the ground subsidence. (caused by the
'underground' flooding) So it will not be long before a serious accident
happens.

Tony next door (who moved back in last year) ideally don't want people
just walking directly past his window and looking in, especially late at
night. However, at the moment we only get the odd walker who is
'genuinely' lost, but we have had two who threatened legal action!

Just for information the small piece of land just near the bridge
(boatyard side) is a Parish Staithe and this is covered under the 1802
enclosure act (EA rent this and are official trusties of this type of land).
Also Horning Staithe is opposite the boatyard and Robert Paul rents
this direct from Horning Parish. The EA has allowed for a Public Ludham
Staithe on the other side of the bridge, because its a better location
better.    

There is a solution for a footpath and Tony is very happy to agree
something via his field next door but the authorities have got to sort
the legal issues.

Regards

Jason



      
PS - I haven't seen the bull yet!!  

They say that 'Hard work never killed anyone' however, sleepless nights, stress, not taking breaks & not eating correctly may just get you there early!!

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Having a public footpath or a permissable right of way through any working boatyard is an absolute nonsense and a recipe for disaster.  Jason's yard is not unique in this respect.  My Association, the River Thurne Tenants Association, has been pushing the authorities to relocate a public footpath that currently runs through the middle of Phoenix Fleet's boatyard.  An alternative route was installed by the BA, but the powers that be seem reluctant to divert the path to a safer route.

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Mentioning Bulls, there used to be a 'Beware of the Bull' sign when you moored up at St Benets on one of the stiles, we never saw one either. Common sense has to prevail and unfortunately Jason is stuck between preserving the peace with Locals , protecting his work force and preserving his bank balance. Note i am a first aider my employer has to insure me in case helping someone and they decide to sue for negligence.I'm behind Jason on this, if you are out for a walk what does a few more yards actually mean.  

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Thank you expilot & gramarg!
I was beginning to think that I was 'p****g in the wind' when I started
my thread on here asking for some support re the situation at the
boatyard!

I will get back to my daily job now of trying to run a boatyard, so will
reply to any responses later on. Thank you










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