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Oct-15-2009 @ 5:18 PM                           Permalink
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hi all,
"Campaigners are calling for urgent progress on a trial scheme to fill in ditches alongside one of Norfolk's most treacherous roads."
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED14%20Oct%202009%2017%3A33%3A22%3A223

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Is it me or can anyone else not understand what the fuss is all about? There are hundred of roads around the country wih ditches running along side, In the fens this is the norm with some roads running along side deep dykes with only a grass verge between the road and dyke.  Along the length of the river Witham there are milesof roadway running high above the level of the river where if a car was to go off the road it would be down the bank and into the river.As I said I can't see the problem on the A47 Acle. straight.

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Oct-15-2009 @ 7:37 PM                           Permalink
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Dave,

Look on it this way, the Acle straight must be our region's best contribution to the Darwin Awards - how is it possible to crash on a road like that unless you are a complete tool?

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speed speed and speed.. if people just slowed down there wouldnt be half the accidents

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quote:"......
speed speed and speed.. if people just slowed down there wouldnt be half the accidents
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Sorry Paul, got to disagree.

I reckon most are caused through careless driving or driving without due care and attention. Admittedly speed will be up there with them.



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Sorry, but I've never understood this idea that a strip of stationary tarmac with white lines down the middle can be 'dangerous'.  Left to it's own devices it simply lies there.

Then along comes a human being in a vehicle, possibly interacts with one or more other vehicles, frequently disregards the recommended operating procedure or rules of the road, and someone ends up leaving the strip of tarmac and lands in terrain unsuitable for continued motoring.

And this makes a road 'dangerous'.

Nope, it's the people who do dangerous things which makes it dangerous.

In other areas we find bends in the road 'causing accidents',so we straighten the road, in the belief that this in some way makes the road 'safer'.

There are not many roads in Britain so long and straight as the Acle Straight, so maybe it's simply that the 'safer' we make roads, the more liberties some folk take... I don't see that filling in ditches will make much difference overall - unless we use the idiots for infill.... then again, until he's run himself off the road how do we know which ones to bury???

If all drivers followed the laws and highway code I suggest the accident rate would collapse, at much less cost and with far fewer arguments.....

...or is it just me being too stupid to realise the importance of disregarding the rules so someone can get there 30 seconds earlier (or maybe not at all)?

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I think minimum speed limits would help.  It's the joker at the front doing 42 miles per hour who has a lot to answer for.

I don't know the background of the reason for wanting to fill in the ditches - is it that people just drive off the road?  or do they do it avoiding a car that's overtaking?

I think that on that road there is very little in the way of objects to help you estimate the distance of on-coming traffic. Perhaps they could mark the road every 100 metres,  so you can tell how far away something is. If you are going 10 mph faster than the car you are overtaking I think you need 900 foot of clear road ahead and 11 seconds to complete the overtaking manouver safely.

I guess there's no chance of planning permission for the Yare to Bure new cut proposed by a member on another thread on here then.... tounge-in-cheek

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quote:"......
It's the joker at the front doing 42 miles per hour who has a lot to
answer for.
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As it's single carriageway, the legal speed limit for LGV's (formerly
HGV's) is 40mph.  With all the "enforcement" of these magic speed
limits these days, who can blame drivers who depend on their driving
licenses to earn their living for not breaking the law.

Previously many LGV drivers would have travelled at 50 on single
carriageways to aid with the flow of traffic but with the governments
insistence on enforcement (only for "safety" you understand Playful  ) few
are now prepared to do this.  Many car drivers do not realise and
appreciate that the speed limit for light goods vehicles (other than car
derived vans) is 50mph on single carriageway roads , but of course
this soon won't be an issue with the governments plan to reduce the
limit on many "dangerous" single carriageway roads to 50 for cars as
well.  I'm sure that once this is done then more "enforcement" will start
there too, but purely on the grounds of "safety"! Gasp   If safety is SO
important why not reduce the limits to 10mph everywhere?! Evil Grin

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I was thinking more about the Silver Mercedes I had the pleasure of following yesterday evening,  42 on the straights, round the bends,  and as far as I could tell through the 30mph's as well  Smile

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Move the ditches further away from the road,thats just silly.where does this finish, move all walls further away from the roads because people may drive into them and get hurt?
Its not the fault of the road or the ditches its driver error.
These days cars have been made safe with side bars, air bags and crumple zones so drivers think themselves safe in their metal boxes. If all cars had a metal spike from the centre of the stearing wheel to a point between their eyes there would be no more accidents.
Could the driver mentioned in the article have been using a mobile phone? Whatever he was doing he was'nt concentrating on his driving or he wouldnt have left the road....Les.

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