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Hi Carol
I too would mention The Brick Kilns at Little Plumstead. Unfortunately a longish walk (or short taxi ride) from the river but they are well known locally for their large Vegetarian menu and won an award earlier this year for being one of the "Top 10 Vegetarian Friendly Pubs in the UK".
They also have Gluten Free options.
Menus on the website
The Brick Kilns Pub

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(Declaration of interest - I do their website!)

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Umm.
Carol, I have to admit, our mainstay vegetarian option has been the
mushroom stroganoff. Oh dear.
One of our (almost full-time) cooks is a vegetarian -from the age of
8 years - and the stroganoff is her own creation.
We do try to have a minimum of five vegetarian options on our
menu, but, because these sell more slowly than the meaty options,
may run out at inopportune moments, and before we are able to
purchase the fresh ingredients to make new.
I am a wee bit concerned at your discernment of the 'med veg' bake
type of meal, especially as I roasted off shedloads of cut
Aubergines, courgettes, onions etc yesterday.....

On a more positive note for our visitors who require a gluten-free
menu, we are totally in tune.
All of our offered meals which are homemade (marked by a blue
asterisk on the menu boards) are thickened with cornflour.
We use Bisto beef or vegetable bouillon (whichever is appropriate)
which is gluten-free.
We stock, permanently, gluten-free garlic & coriander naan breads,
pitta breads, burger buns -we only supply 100% beef burgers with
no gluten additives (4 inch gluten free buns, sorry), sliced brown
seeded bread,
and chocolate puddings for desserts.
You generally only have to specify when ordering which meal is
gluten-free, although we would like to check with you that we have
the correct instructions, as many people may have more than one
intolerance, such as gluten and dairy-free. This needs a bit more
input from the people who cook the food.
We cannot totally guarantee that a meal is totally free from nuts.

Lorraine
The Dog Inn
Ludham Bridge

Sorry, another edit, I forgot, our spagetti bolognaise, like the cottage
pie, chilli etc is gluten-free, but we also stock wheat (gluten) free
spagetti, and pasta twists. I also have 'Ebly' -bulgar wheat, which
will be cooked to order.
As anyone who is 'Gluten-Free' will appreciate, we make all these
meals deliberately gluten-free, and stock the additional wheat-free
add-ons at no additional charge. We understand the condition, and
when people ask us, we are very happy to discuss their options with
them. Right down to the fryer oil, and whether it has yet had
breadcrumbs in it.

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The Brick Kilns is somewhere which was pointed out to me a while ago and is definately on the list for a visit by car - thanks to Mal and Suzie for reminding me about it! Their vegetarian menu looks extremely interesting indeed.

Mal, I've not been to the Wayford Bridge but I think I read recently that Marco P White's vision for the place is to turn it into the best fish restaurant in Norfolk. Whether this is true, I don't know, but if so then it will probably have to be on my avoid list!  Scared

We did check out the menu in the Mermaids Slipper a few weeks ago .... I think we might need to take out a second mortgage to eat there!  Playful Wink
Kev isn't too keen on what he calls "poncy" food which he reckons contains too many bizzare ingredients just for the sake of it (it's his working class roots!) and I have to confess that my limited experiences of restaurant quality food and gastro pubs has been rather mixed. I have had some really great food .... but equally I have ended up having unimaginative bland food for which I've been charged a fortune for a micro portion of a main meal which I'd barely call a starter!


Petential - yes the "vegetarian option available" is an annoying one. As for microwave meals ... I don't expect to necessarily get freshly cooked meals as I realise that the veggie options are going to sell in smaller quantities, and many pubs do batch cooking of home cooked food to freeze. If it's homecooked and flavoursome I have no problem with it coming out of the freezer to be heated up and browned under the grill. The catering pack company offerings are a whole different ball game though! I have never really tried much Thai food, but will try to give the place in Hoveton a look.


SteveO - you are probably very near the truth for some pubs and I guess Brakes only have about two or three veggie options. I'm sure that I have had the same dubious looking slop that they call vegetable lasagne in several pubs in the region (not just on the Broads).


Hi Lorraine - I have to confess that I haven't been into the Dog for a couple of years and did try to check out your website the other evening but couldn't reach it? We tend to do most of our boating on the southern Rivers and the northern rivers pubs tend to be visited mostly by car. I have been guilty of playing it safe and sticking with the couple of pubs where I know I am going to get something I like as meals out when visiting have been infrequent of late. I promise I will come and give you a look .... but no amount of arm twisting will get me to order mushroom stroganoff these days!  Playful
The roatsed vegetable thing .... I know that not all places will use the frozen mix, but you would be surprised just how many places I have been to where they do! I'm pleased to hear that you do use fresh ingredients, although also have to confess that aubergine is the ONE vegetable that I don't like .... actually I lie .... I don't care much for swede either, but aubergines do seem to be used quite often. I can handle them if they are chopped up finely and in with other veg but not huge great chunks of the stuff. I think it's the weird, slimy texture that gets me!!

As I said above, I know that veggie meals will sell in smaller quantities and that you could suddenly find yourself short on options if you do get a sudden rush. I don't honestly expect to have a massive selection to choose from in pubs, it's more a case of trying to encourage chefs to just try to do something a little different from those same few dishes which are found just about everywhere in the country. It's just all got so predicatbale that going out to dine isn't much of an experience for me, it's just a way to avoid the washing up! - I can almost guarantee before I walk into a pub anywhere in the UK that I will be offered one of more of the following:

curry, chilli, or stroganoff and rice
pasta of some variety with salad and garlic bread
veggie burger (and these are mostly of the deep fried, potato based, catering pack variety)

In the context of a boating holiday, with a two ring hob, I can easily knock up a curry, chilli or pasta dish in about 20 minutes that is often tastier than the offerings I get in many places. Salad is obviously often on the galley menu as it's quick and easy. After a few days I am just craving a nice plate of veg and new potatoes to go with my main meal which is a little more awkward to organise with limited cooking facilities (although my steamer is now always packed to take with me these days). It's a real bug bear of mine that when you do find something like veg bake, or goats cheese and onion tart, that it always seems to be served with salad. A few places do offer the option of having veg instead which I just love! It just really annoys me that if I want to have veg, the only option is to pay another £3 on top of the meal to buy them as an "extra".  



I guess I shouldn't really complain .... in the 1970s and 1980s I was lucky if I was offered anything other than an omelette whenever we went out! On honeymoon in germany in 1984 I spent the entire holiday being served fried eggs by the hotel chef. On the last night he was so proud of himself when he personally delivered an omelette to our table!!  LOL




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Look on the bright side you could probably save yourself £2-3000 by avoiding the overpriced fayre that purports to be 'home cooked', 'cottage', 'chef created', 'cooked fresh' all of which is evidenced by the discarded catering packs out the back.........oh and the Egon Ronay price list.

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Many of the pubs and restaurants that I have visited
have a very poor selection of vegetarian dishes.
Although not a vegetarian myself, many of my friends
are and i often choose the veg option as I often get
fed up with meat. They are often very bland and are
usually, as you say, either mushroom or pasta based! At
the same time may I take the opportunity to
congratulate you on your wonderful pub Lorraine!
Stopped in for lunch one day last week and found not
only the staff very warm and friendly to both my family
and our dog pub found the meals to be very good value
and delicious, a very big thank you and well done!

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was supposed to read but, dont worry my dogs not called
pub!

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OK, I'll put my hand up and say I was one of the cooks (not chef in this instant) who used the nuke&puke veggie options from Brakes/3663/et al. Apologies. I know it looks like wallpaper paste, tastes like wallpaper paste and probably does a better job than B&Q wallpaper paste.

In the environment at the time it was simple economics. 200 meat covers against 3 veggie. Volume of meals, and still having a fresh product.

The wastage on veggie meals is much higher, due to demand, or lack thereof. That said, you do raise a very valid point.

Macie, on the other hand, seems to have been able to have done it right. Not only veggie, but gluten free. For a pub that is amazing, and very imprsesive. I had a meal at the Dog a couple of weeks ago, it was fantastic, well priced, everything done just right, and fantastic flavour.

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Hi,all,

Sorry to spoil your misconceptions, but think about dairy products a little more deeply. If you truly can't abide the thought of animals being slaughtered for our consumption, you must realise that for cows to produce milk they need to calve. The great majority of those calves produced have little commercial value, especially males (like humans then!). They are taken from their mothers, and "disposed" of. So by consuming dairy products you are indirectly involved in the killing of animals. As stated vegans are probably the only people to hold the moral high ground. BTW, I enjoyed a lovely broccoli and Stilton cheese crumble bake in my local at lunchtime, which also does a fine cauliflower and potato bake. If there were more tasty Veggie options, I'd eat more of them, but as stated by the OP, they're not readily available.

Regards, Ray.

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Hi Ray

As I stated, I don't have a problem with anyone eating meat and don't take amy sort of moral high ground over being a vegetarian .... I don't eat it because I truthfully don't like it and haven't since I was around 5 years old.

Lorraine does seem to be a rarity in pub catering in producing her own veggie meals (and the gluten free side is almost impossible to find!). As I mentioned, the Ferry Inn at Surlingham also offer a couple of homemamde veggie dishes too.

I do realise that we are a minority, but small batches of home cooked veggie offerings can easily be made and frozen and will keep for several months .... I know, because that's what I do at home rather than having to prepare a freshly cooked meal every night. The previous landlord at our local used to do just that and had a selection of really tasty veggie food on the menu, so it can be done. I don't think that the lack of veggie customers through the door should necessarily be an excuse to just serve them catering company slop ..... these have to be bought in batches of at least 8 or so anyway, so why not knock the same number of home cooked lasagnes etc. together? I NEVER buy frozen ready meals from the supermarket and object to having to pay £8+ to eat one in a pub! It's just revolting stuff!

Out of interest, I checked out Brakes product lines a couple of weeks ago. I was astonished by the vast range of vegetarian and vegan food that they actually do ..... which begs the question even more as to why virtually every pub choses the same three or four options?? (Kev reckons they are probably just the cheapest .... there may be some truth in that, but I couldn't possibly comment!). They will probably still be rather bland .... but at least it would make a change from the set nuke & puke offerings found everywhere else.

I know a few veggies, but I also know quite a few people who will often opt for a vegetarian meal out because they think it will be lighter ... often women on diets! Wink  I called in for lunch at a local pub with my mother a couple of weeks ago and she decided to have the same veggie option I had (another Brakes special!) .... she ate half of it, declared it disgusting and left the rest ..... my reply was "welcome to my world!"  Frown
To be fair, their entire menu seems to have come from a Brakes lorry and the "fresh" vegetables served with the meals were the cheapest frozen peas and sweetcorn ... and that was it! We won't be visiting again.

Worst meal of the last year has to go to a "Broccoli and Cheese Bake" I was served in another local pub. the word "bake" usually signifies to me that something has been in an oven ... or has at least been browned off under a grill. What I actually got was four small bits of boiled broccoli with a bit of instant cheese sauce poured over the top! And they classed that as a main meal. Unbelievable!


I'm not one to complain about things in pubs/ restaurants and just put up with what I get, but it's getting to the point where I just don't think I can be bothered to go out to eat anymore .....  Frown




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After two years of being on my "To Visit" list, I finally made it to the Brick Kilns at Little Plumstead on Saturday.

We were heading up to Ludham for the afternoon and, as traffic on the southern bypass was somewhat of a nightmare, we detoured off through Little Plumstead and Salhouse to head there via Wroxham instead. Called in for lunch at the Brick Kilns on the way ...... and what a revelation this place is for vegetarians!

A very nice pub where the staff were all very friendly and attentive. As has been mentioned, there is a massive choice for veggies and vegans .... although the menu lists some meat and fish dishes there is a daily specials board with more non veggie options too. All the food that went past us looked very good indeed. I opted for a nut roast which was packed full of cashews and served with a chunky tomato, vegetable and white wine sauce and a side dish of fresh vegetables. It was delicious! Kev went veggie for the day and had the lentil and spinach pie with veg which he said was subtle, but very nice. The portion sizes were very large (probably rivalling those of Surlingham Ferry), and defeated both of us! We will definatley visit again as we often head to Wroxham or Horning via this route. They served a very well kept pint of Adnams too!

There's no easy way to get there from the rivers (unless you book a taxi), but if your picking up a boat from either Wroxham or Horning then it's not too much of a detour to call in on the way there for lunch if you are looking for something special in the veggie line.


I have also discovered that there is a vegetarian cafe/ restaurant at Trowse which looks to be within reasonable walking distance of the Whitlingham moorings. I believe it opened in July and has been added to my "To Visit" list. Their other establishment, The Red Lion at Great Bricett in Suffolk, was also one of Britains Top 10 Veggie Friendly Pubs and the menu looks almost identical.

River Green Cafe at Trowse



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