Topic: Otter or Mink ?


ncsl    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 2:12 PM
  I thought I photographed an Otter on the Ant today.
When I looked at it on the PC I,m sure it is a Mink, but the size was VERY large indeed.
It mush have been at least 30" from nose to tail.

Have never seen any mink so large or am I wrong ??

EDIT " There could be a picture problem as this picture of a mink standing on dry ground is not the one I photographed as mine was swimming
Hope this doesnt lead to more confusion !!!!







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This message was edited by ncsl on Jul-20-07 @ 9:46 AM


zoedan    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 2:25 PM
  hi, would definatly put my money on it being a mink,if a very large one.

gareth


pks1702    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 3:32 PM
  Its a Mink for me Paul.

They can grow to a fair size.

A lake I fished a few years ago in Northampton had its wild fowl population decimated by an influx of Mink including half grown Cygnets.

If I were potantial Mink prey on the Ant I would be making an exit up the Bure  Wink

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that maketh men great


Steve51    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 4:07 PM
  Hi Paul,

Having observed otters on the Ant and Sutton Broad for a couple of years now, I would say it's definitely an otter (IMHO). Especially given the size you report, mink are shorter and slimmer.

Steve.

I know me pointy end from me blunt end!


Rondonay    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 4:49 PM
  I vote mink, definitely.

Pauline

'Stop it you silly ass!' cried the Rat from the bottom of the boat 'You can't do it! You'll have us over!'


Richard    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 5:09 PM
  Nessie maybe? Smile


Rondonay    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 5:28 PM
  That's just SILLY Richard, no such thing as Nessie.
Could have been the Grass Monster of course..... Scared

Pauline

'Stop it you silly ass!' cried the Rat from the bottom of the boat 'You can't do it! You'll have us over!'


Dajen    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 5:33 PM
  The fur doesn't look dense enough for a mink and the texture is wrong, I reckon it is an otter.

Dave


ncsl    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 6:04 PM
  Blimy..... now I am confused as we just about have a 50 / 50 split!!

I have seen both but as this was slimmer than an Otter, didn't dive under water, had too bigger ears than an Otter I still think it is a Mink,

So heres another picture.



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Steve51    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 6:15 PM
  Still reckon it's an otter. Submit the pic to the NWT, they should be able to give you a definitive on it.

Steve

I know me pointy end from me blunt end!


ncsl    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 6:19 PM
  Yep....  May just do that Steve.

One last look at a known Otter I photographed in 2005.


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petemarr    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 6:22 PM
  Its a Stinkie Torpedo in disguise

boat-sail Exterminate boat-power

Pete
STINKIES UNITED


jaguar    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 6:26 PM
  nah pete,its paul daniels "rug" escaping



Playful  Tinhat boat-sail Exterminate boat-power


STINKIES UNITED

mike

"it was the best butter"said the mad hatter.


petemarr    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 6:34 PM
  Whatever Mike they are all designed to make Sailies disappear  lol

Evil Grin  boat-sail Exterminate boat-power

Pete
STINKIES UNITED


Foxy    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 6:50 PM
  I think its a mink nice to meet you at Paddys lane two weeks ago.


ncsl    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 7:11 PM
  Hi Foxy.

Was nice to meet up with you too.
2 weeks ago huh!  boy dont it soon go.   Guess your thinking about the next one now....

The more I ask the more it is looking like a Mink.

Have sent a copy to NWT. Will see soon.

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plesbit    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 9:34 PM
  It's a mink - IMHO. Smile


TheCommodore    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 11:30 PM
  This is an otter

Geof


TheCommodore    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 11:32 PM
  and this is a mink.

Hard to tell the difference when they are swimming!

Geof


TheCommodore    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 11:34 PM
  NO that's Pauls picture, what's going on?

This is a mink

Geof


TheCommodore    -- Jul-19-2007 @ 11:37 PM
  Seems to have sorted itself.

My apologies!

This message was edited by TheCommodore on Jul-19-07 @ 12:39 AM


Marshman    -- Jul-20-2007 @ 7:41 AM
  Hi Lord Paul - if it is a mink I shall be very disappointed and just a bit surprised.
As you know I do a lot of work with the BA conservation volunteers and up at How Hill we have been on the look out for some time. We have equipment out on the marshes to show tracks and so far have not seen any evidence of mink.
Now otters - thats different and we reckon because they have quite large territories that there are otters almost, if not, everywhere.
There is some anecdotal evidence to suggest that the two don't mix too well and that the steady rise in the otter population is keeping the spread of mink down, or at least slowing it considerably.
So on balance probably an otter or so I hope!!!


ncsl    -- Jul-20-2007 @ 8:18 AM
  Can I just add - for Richard this is meant - the pictures I have put on, on this thread are some how getting mixed up very badly.

May be because of same file names ????

The first picture on this thread is no longer mine ???

As The Commodore pointed out above, something is going not quiet right.

Marshman, my first picture - where ever that has now gone - was taken just  a few yards down stream from my moorings at Wayford Bridge.
Leigh (tuppence) and I saw what I would think would have been a Mink - swimming near Hunsette Mill near Easter this year.

I too hope it was an Otter but have my doubts.


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ncsl    -- Jul-20-2007 @ 8:23 AM
  Have renamed my picture.

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roya    -- Jul-20-2007 @ 8:29 AM
  HI All,
what is the official position on Mink.
If they do indeed overpopulate,are they going to treated the same as Copyu?
Just a thought as it seems very hard to tell them apart,i have seen Otters at the zoo etc but never to my knowledge seen a Mink.

roya

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johnm    -- Jul-20-2007 @ 9:24 AM
  Paul,
IMHO that's a mink - fur looks wrong for an otter and head too small and pointy.

Roy,
IMV there is only one thing to do with these nasty (and I mean vicious!) North American interlopers  Exterminate

John

Sailies for ever.....and ever!


TheCommodore    -- Jul-20-2007 @ 11:06 AM
  Morning Richard,

It's still not right. If you click to enlarge my mink picture (which is the right one) the enlargement is of Paul's picture. Anyway, let it pass...............

In the 80's I was invited by the Min of Ag, as they were then, to tender for the contract to eradicate the coypu. We spent many hours putting this plan together and presented it in London.

Blow me if they didn't pinch all the best bits and go off and do it themselves!

The large bound document they produced as a result of our deliberations did comment towards the back that there were enough mink, porcupine and capybara on the loose in this country to each become as big a problem as the coypu.

Capybara are the worlds biggest rodents, about the size of a small pig. I'm told that being vegetarian, they are good eating, as are coypu, Roy!

Geof


Brent    -- Jul-20-2007 @ 12:35 PM
  That is 150% defintely NOT an otter!!!! Everything about it is not otter. Fur colour, fir texture, eyes, ears, snout shape. I am only 149% sure it is a mink.(For the record I am looking at the swimming creature!).

And I'm always right. Just ask the wife!


Dajen    -- Jul-20-2007 @ 6:16 PM
  Paul have you sent the pic to the NWT/ If it is a mink (which I doubt) it is bad news because i have seen several animals the same which I have always thought were otters on limekiln dyke and that end of Barton around Gays Cove. Same behaviour i.e swimming on the surface, I always assumed that this was just because they were not hunting.

Dave


BreamSlayer    -- Jul-20-2007 @ 6:43 PM
  For me this is most definitely a mink, its the snout that gives it away.Any history in any old mink farms in the area.
Steve.

'You never told me it had to have SIX coats of varnish' !!


ncsl    -- Jul-24-2007 @ 9:05 AM
  So it IS a MINK.

Just received this reply back:-
"
HI Paul just received your email re the above.

Without doubt it is a feral north American mink (Mustela vison), It would be worthwhile passing on the sighting to the Norfolk Wildlife Trust as they are part of a control program for mink in the broads areas.



So will get in touch with NWT shortly.

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scuba    -- Jul-24-2007 @ 11:18 AM
 
quote:"......
Without doubt it is a feral north American mink (Mustela vison), It would be worthwhile passing on the sighting to the Norfolk Wildlife Trust as they are part of a control program for mink in the broads areas
......."


What control program do they use is it the same by fashion houses? Exterminate  Wink

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-24-2007 @ 11:27 AM
  Are we sure it's not a "Beaver"  Blush  Evil Grin   ???

And what about the chap that bought his wife a coat made of of hamsters?
Took her to Blackpool and couldn't get her off the big wheel  LOL

Ok I know, I'm just leaving  -  Griff

One of these decades we WILL finish Broad Ambition !!


ncsl    -- Jul-24-2007 @ 12:34 PM
  Oh! Good "Grif"

Evil Grin

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roya    -- Jul-24-2007 @ 1:01 PM
  So can one assume the Animal Rights lot that set these little blighters free,i remember reading it some years ago will now pay up front to help save the British Wildlife,that will be endangered.
Thought not.



Frown

roya

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