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I've just returned from tonight's Loddon Parish Council meeting. They have been trying to get the BA to do something about the overstayers at Pye's Mill and Loddon staithe, but the answer has always been that the rangers can't always be there. So one of the councillors took a series of timed and dated photos, taken daily over a couple of weeks and submitted them to the BA. The BA has said they will start proceedings against two of the boat owners, based on this evidence.

It will be interesting to see the result, in due course.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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There’s your answer then, if all boaters who are p****d off with overstayers bombard the BA with dated photographers they will be able to take proceedings against them without taking up Rangers time.

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Its a pity that the Stalham Parish council don't do the same with the
Stalham Staithe  over stayers!!!

Jason

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The BA byelaws which apply to the Loddon moorings don't apply to Stalham Staithe, so the 24hr only signs mean nothing in practical terms. There are discussion taking place for the BA to take over the management at Stalham, in which case, the byelaws will apply.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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It is good to hear that action will be taken,  but only through the tenacity and actions of a third party.

Whilst I accept that assistance from the general boating public in recording unacceptable activities such as speeding (another thread) or overstaying is a welcome help to the BA, I cannot agree with the suggestion that the moaners who object should in effect stop moaning and record, so as to " not take up the Rangers time" !!!

Yes I accept they can't be everywhere, and the recording of an incident by someone there at the time can help in terms of action, BUT, are we really saying  that those who complain, and indeed those who overstay , are taking up the Rangers time unnecessarily ?! Can't agree with that I'm afraid.

And as someone who last year took details and photographs of an incident ( group unrinating in public) , then spent hours of our valuable weekend time at a mooring,  including time waiting for a visit which never happened (to talk through what had occurred), I'm not exactly feeling inclinded to do the same again!

Maybe, as has been said many times before here, there is a need to adjust the balance of spending within to the BA so that we have a more useful ranger presence? I won't bother to repeat the arguments for that, the timings needed, and the lost services such as a ranger at Ranworth etc etc.

I must add that this is no criticism of the rangers themselves, not at all. Have always found them to be helpful, polite, sensible and fair. It's the organisation that needs sorting out ( sorry for restating the obvious).

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You can't expect the rangers to do anything straight away, they could be two/three hours by boat away. you say they were there they say they weren't you need time elapsed film where the rangers are at fault is with the liveaboards that are there on a electric point, Whittingham and Lodden are a case in point they appear to be there for months/year,but! you never see anybody on board, they are hopefully at work or queuing at the dole office. Now if they had a scheme that they towed the offenders away( after having ticketed the boat) to their yard lifted the boat on to the bank with a charged payable for release. this worked very well here when we had a tow away sceam suddenly after a few months the streets were clear. inconveniences with a cash fine paid straight away,not sent through the post then the bailiffs spend the next ten years chasing,i don't say that during the winter months wild mooring liveaboards shouldn't be allowed to over stay after all there are no other boats about. John

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The BA are perfectly aware of where there is a problem with overstaying and if they wanted to deal with the problem they could simply, by making a Ranger mobile in a van, he could visit all the problem moorings easily in a day and do exactlywhat the PC did.

if it is to be it is up to me.

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Hence the "where there's a will..." in the thread title.

The BA clearly prefers the rangers to spend their time on more important matters, such as enforcing the non-enforceable registration marks guidence, rather than confronting people who might shout at them (or worse).

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Or indeed working on the riverbanks to clear trees which they do in the winter!

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14 moorings at Loddon Staithe,34 at Pyes Mill. No boats but plenty of anglers. What's the problem with someone who overstays a few hours. Yes I got a ticket for returning to P.M within 24 hours. This has been like this since November.Like a ghost town. The staithe was built for boats so should be used for boats. By the way the aforementioned p.c made me move on the Saturday of Storm Dennis. I always thought "Any port in a storm".
Not very safety concious.

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