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There are ‘hidden’ public/visitor moorings around the Broads, not just at hire boatyards, that we simply don’t know about. These are the dedicated moorings insisted upon by the BA Development Plan, when applications for additional commercial moorings are submitted. This is totally separate from the reciprocal mooring arrangement run by the Broads Hire Boat Federation, for the benefit of their members.

Recently, I suggested to the BA Planning Department that they could create and maintain a list of these moorings on their web site, for the information, and benefit, of boaters. After all, what is the point of insisting on these moorings being provided, if the people who would benefit from them don’t know they exist? Greater use of these moorings would also ease the pressure on the BA moorings.

The response from the Planning Department was “...it would not be possible for us to create and maintain such a register.” The response I got from the Chair of the Planning Committee, Sir Peter Dixon, was totally different. He was very supportive of the idea, which he will be taking forward.

Using the BA Planning Portal search facility, I was able to produce this list in an hour or so. 21 extra moorings available to us! Someone more familiar with the BA’s system could have done it quicker and more comprehensively. I don’t know how many I’ve missed. For example, Barnes Brinkcraft didn’t appear in the search results, but I knew about them anyway.

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Although approval has been granted in each of these cases, with a condition that visitor moorings must be provided, such approval does not guarantee that the permitted development has been undertaken or completed. Nor does the list take into account any application for subsequent changes to the condition (although the Barnes Brinkcraft situation does take into account that the visitor moorings have been moved from the river to their boatyard).

This is a starting point, a guide, that’s all. Basic information that boaters can use to make their own enquiries at the particular locations, as the need arises.

But who better than the Planning Department themselves to create and maintain such a list? No-one is better placed. Won’t do, rather than can’t do, I suspect.


NORTH

Barnes Brinkcraft, Hoveton
6 visitor moorings
http://planning.broads-authority.gov.uk/PublicAccessDocs/planningDocs.aspx?doc=/sites/planning/2015/Documents/Development%20Control/BA20150244COND/D.pdf

Richardson's Horning (next door to Boulter’s)
2 visitor moorings
http://planning.broads-authority.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=MXN5XWTB00C00

Sutton Staithe Boatyard (development underway – completion later this year)
2 visitor moorings
http://planning.broads-authority.gov.uk/PublicAccessDocs/planningDocs.aspx?doc=/sites/planning/2015/Documents/Development%20Control/BA20150248COND/20150248d.pdf

SOUTH

Eastwood Marina, Brundall
2 visitor moorings
http://planning.broads-authority.gov.uk/PublicAccessDocs/planningDocs.aspx?doc=/sites/planning/2014/Documents/Development%20Control/BA20140010FUL/00010f6e-06cc5a73-d32e-4602-a556-5486498ef547.pdf

Griffin Marine
5 visitor moorings
http://planning.broads-authority.gov.uk/PublicAccessDocs/planningDocs.aspx?doc=/sites/planning/2010/Documents/Development%20Control/BA20100028FUL/3b9c64eb-8388488e-f9f0-40d1-a134-ccfa0d142a0b.pdf  

Mill Farm, Pyes Mill Road, Loddon
2 visitor moorings
http://planning.broads-authority.gov.uk/PublicAccessDocs/planningDocs.aspx?doc=/sites/planning/2013/Documents/Development%20Control/BA20130163FUL/00010969-e36242fd-f7af-47d7-94c6-bf0998707858.pdf  

Swancraft, Brundall
2 visitor moorings
(No Decision Notice on BA Planning site)
http://planning.broads-authority.gov.uk/PublicAccessDocs/planningDocs.aspx?doc=/sites/planning/2015/Documents/Development%20Control/BA20150172FUL/planning%20statement%20-%20swancraft%20-%20june2015rev1.pdf



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"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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Would you class this as "hidden" ?



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Oh dear, that word cames to mind again - lazy - in relation to the response you received from the BA Mr P. Same word, same organisation ( as another recent issue. )

I do hope there will be a report of something more positive on their behalf soon, to restore my faith. I don't always criticise them, and nor do I want to, but tor the sake of a very small amount of work they put themselves up for crticism! And it wasn't even a good excuse ( or reason)  for not doing it.  

What IS the point of making the creation of these moorings a condition of planning consents if their presence is then hidden? Let's hope it is not laziness, again! So, if not that, then what?

Thank you for your efforts Pally. Much appreciated.

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ncsl, in terms of that specific document, yes, I would. You have posted it, but it is so small and indistinct that I haven't a clue where I would find the source.

Perhaps you would post a link?

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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ncsl, my curiosity having been piqued (hmmm, painful!), I have been researching your document. It appears to relate to the second planning approval in my list BA/2013/0397/FUL - Richardson's at Horning. Approval was granted subject to, among others, this condition:

"The two most southerly positioned moorings, annotated as '2no. Public moorings' on drawing number 5465.2 titled 'Site of proposed public moorings' and received by the Local Planning Authority on 21/03/2014 shall be retained throughout the lifetime of the development for use as visitor/short stay moorings only and shall not be let, hired, or used as private moorings or residential moorings, as defined by the supporting text to Policy DPI6 and DP25 of the Development Management Policies - DPD (2011). These two moorings shall be maintained in serviceable condition and, notwithstanding necessary closures for maintenance, shall be available for use as visitor/short stay moorings at all times. No one boat shall stay at either mooring for longer than 24 hours at any one visit and neither mooring shall be used for mooring by the same boat within the following 24 hours."

I have hunted high and low for the drawing mentioned, but it appears nowhere on the BA web site (that I can find), and it is certainly not included in the documents associated with that application.

I would be very interested to know where you found it (even by pm) and, on the face of it, it certainly appears to have been 'hidden'.

A query has been sent to the BA.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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I assume that these "visitor" moorings may not be free moorings, and the provider may make a charge. Which may be at a fee that is greater than what is reasonable.

We could do with a one page pdf with all of them listed.
Great work, much appreciated, but why BA couldn't do it, ? but then again, if they were listed in say the "Broadcaster" many privates will be beaten to it lol. After all, the Hire craft have loads of other sources at these yards to choose from, if available.


best regards, Richard.

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No, these mooring won't be free, but, as yet, I haven't heard of any exorbitant charges being made.

If I could post a .pdf, I would, but there appears to be a glitch which prevents it. It's on Richard's to-do list.  tounge-in-cheek

I have asked why the BA can't do it and was simply given excuses. It's perfectly achievable, as I have demonstrated. I don't necessarily agree with a list being published in the Broadcaster, as it wouldn't be as up-to-date as a dynamic web page on the BA site could be.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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do you think they are hidden on the basis that if the boatyards who applied could prove they are not used on a regular basis could in the future apply to have the plans amended to their own gane in some way just like property when they say they cant sell them so apply to have holiday let etc

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I couldn't possibly comment, but it's interesting that the Chair of Planning ended his email to me with "Apart from anything else, more general knowledge of such moorings will make it more likely that they remain available to members of the public."

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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I have sent you a couple of PM.
Sorry for the late reply but only just got back from the boat.



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