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Hi,

I have just joined so hello. I have rented cruisers on the Broads over many years, but haven't been for the last 10 years or so. But, good news, I have booked again for early September this year - Silver Sirocco from Silverline in Brundall - and I have been looking at the tide tables.

The tides don’t seem to be working for me. Basically, low slack occurs late to mid-morning most of the week, which makes heading down river either a very early morning thing, or a tide battling exercise.

My question is, what are the tides like between Oulton Broad and Somerleyton? With low slack at St Olaves around 11:40, I would like to go from Oulton to Somerleyton mid afternoon when I will be going against the tide. I have experienced the tide running at Reedham, and I am wondering how well my journey  through St. Olaves will go?

I will be vary grateful for any advice, pointers, tips that are offered. Thanks.

Farmer Terry

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Welcome Farmer Terry, how familiar are you with the Southern Broads?
The distance you are planning to do from Oulton Broad to Somerleyton is only about 3 miles which would take approximately 40 minutes at a steady plod even against the tide.
You will not be going through St. Olaves as this is another 2 miles further on.
If you go to the bottom of the page here and tap on downloads you will find a chart for South and North Broads showing distances and times for strategic points.

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Hi , and welcome.

I haven't been personally moderating over the weekend or earlier today, but your first three posts as a new member have to be "approved" by one of us admin team before they actually appear on open forum, so just to answer your comment in the duplicate thread - that's probably why you thought it had disappeared and so posted it again. Just one of our little systems to stop members being visually "assaulted" by adverts etc. Or inappropriate postings of all manner!

As we now have two threads on the same topic, I've closed off  the other  one. I've also amended this title to include reference to the tides question.

Regards, and do keep posting, Karen




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Hi Karen,

That's all fine, I understand the moderating decision - sorry I didn't spot it sooner. Smile

Terry

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No problem Terry. Look forward to hearing more from you.

All the best, Karen

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Hi Bella,

Thanks for the reply. I am reasonably familiar with the southern broads having holidayed there half a dozen times over the years. However, the last time was 2011, and it all seems a long time ago now. The only things that stick are the speed of the tides in places near Breydon Water. Smile

Hence my question, but it seems that the tides above St Olaves are not too bad, so thank you for that.

While writing, might  I ask you another tide related question please?

Having spent the night at Somerleyton (and hopefully had a nice diner at the  Duke’s Head) my plan is to head down to the Berney Arms with the ebb tide, wait for the tide to turn, then head up towards Brundall.

Obviously low slack at the Berney arms is critical time in this, and on Wednesday 9th September, with low water at Yarmouth at 08:27, I estimate low slack at Berney Arms to be about 09:40 (1 hour after low water at 08:40).

Does that sound about right to you?

Many thanks

Farmer Terry

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Terry, on the Wednesday low tide at GY is 8.27 as you said, but at GY it is is worked on slack water time which is 9.27.
This is the time when the tide starts to flow back in.
Don’t know how long it would take for the in tide to affect Berney  Arms but I would expect at least half hour, making about 10.00.
Somerleyton to Berney Arms will take approximately 1.5 hours.

I hope that my calculations are near the mark.
But with the wealth of knowledge on here someone will Give help if I am wrong.

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Hi Farmer-Terry
Welcome to the Forum and back to the Broads. Only advice from us would be don't leave your mooring to early as there is a low bridge at St Olaves and you will need to get under it.
Kindest Regards
Marge and Parge

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Hi Both,

Thanks for the ongoing help. Smile

pargeandmarge – If my tables are correct, high tide at St Olaves that morning is about 03:50, low tide at 09:57 so I don’t think the bridge should be a problem.

Bella – My estimate of times at the Berney arms was wrong, so I think we can agree on,
LW at Yarmouth at 8:27, LW at St Olaves 9:57,  so LW at Berney Arms around 9:00, slack water about an hour later.

So, if we set off from Somerleyton around 8:00, we get to the Berney arms around 9:30 and we wait there for slack water.

Sounds perfect. Smile

Farmer Terry

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Just remember that tides cannot read tables and are often early, or more often late! So many factors affect Broadland tides such as freshwater flows, atmospheric pressure, and winds. Low water on the 7th is 8.27 and that is the time the tide SHOULD turn at the bottom of the Bure - remember the tide runs out of the Bure for about another hour until slack at the YS around half 9.

You should also take into account that then you are around half way between springs and neaps and the tides will be beginning to lessen in strength.So I guess low at Berney to be around half 9 - but it could be either side by around half hour or so. Thats as close as you are likely to guess methinks!

So leaving Somerleyton at around 8.15 should be about right - I doubt you will need to worry about St Olaves but it does depend on the boat - just check the gauges but normal Broads boats should be fine.

You can of course pootle down Breydon for a bit and do a bit of bird watching - there will be plenty about and turn as you meet the tide - that will be apparent if you look at the flow around the posts!!!

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