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Dec-30-2019 @ 9:37 PM                           Permalink
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Holiday greetings, all.

I'm thinking of spending some time sailing around the world in my retirement and am pondering places to visit.  The Broads have held appeal for me since watching Dylan Winter's videos a few years ago (keepturningleft.co.uk).

The boat I have now is too small for bluewater passages but I'm hoping to trade up to something that is.  I am watching the market and looking at several candidate vessels that are typically 40' long, 12'6" abeam, drawing approximately 5 feet.  As the masts on these are keel stepped and 60' long it is no small thing to lower them.  Here's one example with photos:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1999/caliber-40lrc-3535226/

From what I understand, it would be possible to take such a boat on the R. Waveney as far as Beccles and St. Olaves, and on the Yare as far as Norwich.  It would be necessary to arrange bridge openings, and passage from the Yare to the Waveney would have to be coastwise as the bridges at St. Olaves cannot accommodate such a vessel with its mast up.

Explorations a short distance further upstream could take place in the boat's tender.

My first question for you is whether this would be workable.

Then I have some questions regarding the R. Bure.  I would have several alternatives for visiting it:

1.  I could leave my boat and hire a boat more suitable for the Bure.

2.  I could have a marina remove and store the mast so as to be able to clear the bridges at Vauxhall and Acle Road.  Shoal conditions would not allow me to go far, however, as the BA surveys show shoaling on the River Ant, on the Thurne upstream of Potter Heigham, and on the Bure upstream of Wroxham.  This would also cost as much as simply hiring a boat purpose made for the Broads, making it an unappealing option.

3.  I could explore these areas via land.  There are good rail connections from Norfolk to Wroxham, and bus service from Yarmouth to Potter Heigham.

4.  I could just skip the R. Bure and move on to other destinations.

Any suggestions welcome.

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Good Morning and welcome to the forum.

Sounds like a plan to me.    How exciting.     All doable I am sure but I am no expert on all you ask.  I am positive that during the day you will get a lot of help from our members on here.

Here's to 2020

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Dec-31-2019 @ 10:18 AM                           Permalink
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An idea may be to use visitor moorings at the Royal Norfolk & Suffolk or Haven marinas at Lowestoft and hire a broads boat for a couple of weeks or so.

The right boat will get you around most if not all the Broads system.

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Dec-31-2019 @ 4:29 PM                           Permalink
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Hi , sounds a brilliant plan.

Boats similar to those you describe regularly come up the Yare from Holland as part of a summer cruise. Not sure they get as far as Norwich because of the Carrow road bridge.

Think a 5 foot draft Is likely to cause problems on most of the rest of the network, particularly for mooring . In my opinion swapping over to a broads boat at Lowestoft or maybe Brundall would give you more options and less problems.

Enjoy the adventure

Graham

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Dec-31-2019 @ 8:24 PM                           Permalink
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Thank you all for the replies.

From such charts as I've been able to find, I thought that the Carrow Road bridge was a swing bridge that will open for vessels that cannot pass under it.

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Dec-31-2019 @ 9:50 PM                           Permalink
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A closer look shows that the bridge for the Norwich Southern Bypass is non operable and 34.8 feet so that would keep any sailboat with a fixed mast out of Norwich.

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Jan-01-2020 @ 2:53 AM                           Permalink
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I suppose you could call Carrow Road a swing bridge but only just. To all intents and purposes it Is broken and there Is a big row between the BA , network rail and the council as to whose job it Is to sort it out.

It does still open but only very occasionally and when the relevant authorities have lots of notice and Is normally at 4 in the morning or some other odd time.

I think the biggest fear Is that if they open it they may not be able to close it again and as it forms part of the Norwich ring road that would not be popular with anyone.

A further word of caution in that the other swing bridges at somerleyton and Reedham can also be temperamental in hot weather and for much of last summer taller boats were trapped the wrong side of them for weeks at a time.

When Is your big adventure planned  for ?



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Actually I think you will find that Carrow Bridge can open more readily, but for the sake of accuracy you mostly mean Trowse Bridge which is the rail only bridge and which can only open with great difficulty, if only not to disrupt the rail timetable!!
Its all a bit academic really though, seeing as Postwick Bridge is fixed as has been spotted!!
Just get a Broads boat - but don't forget too you can still hire a few exceptional sailing boats with engines - now doing that you will experience real sailing given the relative sail area they carry!!

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Hi Marshman

Thanks for the clarification. Who knew !

When everyone was talking about the Norwich bridge opening problems last year I just assumed it was the Carrow road one as I have never seen it open in the 27 years we have lived in Norwich.

We don't overlook it or anything but you would have thought just once we might have caught it actually working.

Happy New Year

Graham

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Jan-03-2020 @ 12:09 AM                           Permalink
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Again, thank you all for the advice.

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Some years away yet although there will be smaller trips sooner.  My wife and I have talked about flying to England for a holiday on the Broads sometime in the next year or two.  Meanwhile I'm sailing on the river system and the Great Lakes in the USA.




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