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MandA
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I know there has been some discussion on here about Ballade tv aerials which I am having difficulty finding .
However can anyone say wether they are any good and if so do they work at cabin top height ( 6ft ish ) thanks in advance.
Adrian.

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I have one, nice small unit to pack away.  Sometimes it will work in the cupboard where it is kept sometimes it needs to be high on a pole, all dependent on the surrounding vegetation . Not sure you will find one that works all situations. Think I got mine from Marinescene on line

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Hi Manda I have had one for a number of years now, on this and my last boat, i have mine at cabin height fixed in a pole holder 3 to 4 inches high so i can lift out when low bridges and extend it on the odd occasions when in bad area ie Bramerton, it works as good if not better than any other i have tried, log,household, Status ect, it is so small and inconspicuous tennis ball size that i leave it permanently on top of the roof, no folding dismantling or any of the other problems/issues i have had with all the others i have tried i would recommend one on the broads, i have fitted some to other boats,i use a waterproof plug and socket with outlet box behind the tv no cables dangling, everybody has been pleased with them.and relatively cheap when comparing with some others. John

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Thanks for replies will give one a try fed up with set up I have at present. Adrian

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A couple of discussions can be found here.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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We have a periodic log style around 10" and can get good reception everywhere we go including our moorings that we spent years trying to get one channel, we have a booster that runs up the co-ax cable, my better half watched the men's final from Wimbledon last year whilst traveling from the Waveney RC to Acle with only loss of signal on the odd occasion. we rarely have to move the ariel and can usually leave it alone.
Quite a few people that were struggling on our moorings have swopped to this type of ariel.
Cost around £20.00 got ours from Barnes B far better than the expensive Status ariel fitted brand new which was binned

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I've had a ballade for around 3-4 years very hit and miss only use it at certain moorings or when mudweighted, had a 10 inch perodic and found it to be not great, starting to wonder if it could be my telly as its around 10 years old.

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Adrian  Michelle

Beck  Braydon and Mere.

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Had both and prefer the latter.

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'Afternoon, MandA . . . .

Appreciate you were asking about the Ballade aerial, which we have tried - along with several others. Have to say the best and most reliable we've found is this one:

https://www.avtex.co.uk/antenna/sth3000

We have a centre cockpit cruiser and usually just hang the aerial inside the windscreen and get excellent results at most locations. Only very occasionally do we find it necessary to place it outside on the suction mount.

Steve.



Steve & Maggie

Not quite an ancient mariner ...... though some say he was at sea before Pontius was a pilate !

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In the world of radio aerials there are few right and wrong answers. Good reception is affected by many factors which is why just moving a few feet to the left can make a big difference, and it is also why all aerials work in some circumstances. As a result, every aerial type has someone who finds it works for them and so recommends it.

There are however, a few rules to think about:

The main rule of thumb is that the bigger and higher and aerial is, the better it will work. Even these little aerials work if you put them up high enough.

In areas of strong signal strength, practically anything will work, and so a bent coat hanger connected to the TV with a bit of wet string will be OK. When I lived in London near to the Crystal Palace Transmitter, my TV was quite happy without an aerial at all. However, this does not apply to The Broads. Here the signal comes from Tacolneston which is quite a long way away, and boats receiving the signal are low down hidden behind reeds, trees and pubs.

Some aerials have "gain". This is measured in decibels (db). Gain is a good thing. Decibels are a logarithmic scale and so high gains are particularly useful. For example, a gain of 3db is equivalent to doubling the transmitter power. A gain of 20db is roughly equal to multiplying the transmitter power by 100.

Aerials with built in gain have the ability to reject noise and interference (not all of it) and so they improve the signal to noise ratio. This is also a good thing. Aerials without gain are not much use and so they need to be supplemented with an amplifier (booster) which often claims high db values of gain. However, amplifiers also amplify the noise as well as the signal and so may not improve the signal to noise ratio. Amplifiers are also fiddly, cost money and need power.

Little round aerials are often "omnidirectional" so they receive signals equally from all directions. This is a good thing when boats are moving or swinging on a mudweight. Such aerials have no gain.

The sort of aerial you see mounted up on the roof of local houses are much larger. These aerials are directional and so must be pointed towards the transmitter. However, these aerials have lots of gain and don't need amplifiers. They are usually cheaper and more reliable.

There are some small aerials which are also directional but are mounted low and have little gain. This is the worst of all worlds.

Aerials with gain generally come in two flavours, Yagis and Log Periodics. These aerials look similar but do not work in the same way.

Log Periodics have lower gain than Yagis of the same size but have wider bandwidth. They are intended for people who receive their TV from more than one transmitter. For example people who travel round the country with a caravan. If you are using your aerial only on The Broads, then there is no point in buying a Log Periodic. A Yagi of the same size will be cheaper and have more gain. You must use a Yagi specifically tuned to the Tacolneston Transmitter. (Group T). Group T Log Periodics will also work but you might need a slightly bigger one.

The co-axial cable you use is just as important as the aerial, maybe even more so. Use only good quality cable which is properly connected to the aerial and has a decent plug properly fitted (and preferably soldered) on the other end. If the cable is damaged in any way, or if water gets into it then it will not work and should go in the bin. The outer braid is not a screen and the signal travels on the surface of this and that of the inner conductor. The idea of an "earth" is meaningless on a boat. Cables should not have joints as these can be the source of significant losses. Passive splitters (sometimes called diplexers) which allow the aerial to feed more than one device will (at best) halve the signal strength.

I know I have said all ths before, but I got the feeling I did not explain it very well, so I am trying to put it another way.

The truth is that pretty much any aerial will work under the right circumstances. If you want to maximise the chances of it working most of the time, get the biggest aerial you can find and put it on the tallest pole. That has always worked for me.

Nigel
Ham Radio Station G4AXA



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