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Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone could help with this. A friend and I hired a boat for a week which was a Brinks Jazz Class 1. We paid an £80 fuel deposit and upon return had to pay £140 for extra fuel which would mean we used £220 of diesel. We never dipped the fuel from the start and were not provided with a dip stick. In fact, we were given our life jackets and shown around for around three minutes and then left to our own devices. My question is whether £220 worth of fuel consumption is possible with the following journeys:

Monday: Wroxham – Upton
Tuesday: Upton – Stalham – Potter Heigham
Wednesday: Potter Heigham – St. Olaves
Thursday: St. Olaves – Lowestoft – Beccles
Friday: Beccles – Norwich
Saturday: Norwich – Brundal
Sunday: Brundal – Wroxham

We were a bit hot headed with the engine revs, but that much more seems a bit steep judging by other people's fuel bills posted on these forums, and I'm wondering if we've been had by possibly not having a full tank in the first place.

Any help would be great.

Many thanks,

Karim

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Sep-25-2018 @ 7:35 AM                           Permalink
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Hi Karim
I think you will find any sympathy will have been lost with the comment "we were a bit hot headed with the engine revs "

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Hi Karim,

At a quick estimation I reckon you would have covered 160 miles on that journey. £220 does seem a lot for that amount of mileage but you have probably learnt the hard way that extra revs is at the cost of the pound in your pocket, rather than any real gain in speed.

A few questions for you,

1. Did you have the heater on a lot of the time? Most boats have diesel based heating and this can use 0.5 litre per hour.
2. You did a lot of cruising on the Southern Broads, did you follow the tide tables and try and go with the tide, or were you doing a lot of cruising against it? You can easily double your consumption with extra revs and going against the current.
3. Do you know the price per litre of diesel at Barnes? If we take a price of £1.25, which is a guess, that equates to 176 litres of fuel. Given your mileage that is a hell of a lot of fuel but possible if you raced around and had the heater on a lot.

If you really did use 176 litres of fuel, you are probably lucky you didn't run out. I estimate my tank, an ex Barnes hire boat at 180 litres.

Hopefully you enjoyed your holiday and perhaps if you come back, save yourself some money by going a little slower.

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Sep-25-2018 @ 8:28 AM                           Permalink
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A few points need to be considered with fuel consumption
Did you exceed the speed limits
Did you travel long distances against the tide between Potter and St Olaves and up to Beccles and Norwich and back as punching against the tide and wind increases consumption big time.
When planning routes it is well worth consulting the tide tables those on this page provide the optimum time for both passing the bridges at Yarmouth and using the tide to help you along (keeps engine noise down as a bonus)  

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Sep-25-2018 @ 8:29 AM                           Permalink
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I suppose if you did a lot of high rev running against the tide, went full throttle over Breydon both times and ran the engine a lot when moored it is possible to use that much, but it does seem excessive.

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Have you had a word with Barnes?    Mistakes are made by all of us from time to time.   It does seem excessive to say the least and we would never have used half of that amount , more like £80 sometimes.  I am sure if you had been speeding on the Broads for the whole week , somebody would have been having a quiet word with you.   As you say , how do know the fuel had been topped up.   Moral of the story is, get the fuel dipped in front of you for your own peace of mind (a) to make sure it has fuel and (b) to make sure it is full.



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Sep-25-2018 @ 9:09 AM                           Permalink
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Doing a few sums, I reckon your actual cruising times (at the speed limit) would add up to around  40 hours. If we said the approximate fuel consumption was 2 lph, that equates to 80 litres. Here's the but. A displacement hull will use twice the amount of fuel to do 6mph as opposed to 4mph. If you are punching tides on the lower Bure or on the southern rivers, that figure could rise further. All of this excludes any stationary engine running, or use of the heater. By your own admission, you were "hot headed with the revs".

Brinks Jazz is a variation of my own boat, built by Porter and Haylett for use on the French canals. Assuming it has the same fuel tank as mine, it has a capacity of 263 litres.



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Sep-25-2018 @ 9:52 AM                           Permalink
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Hi Kaz The tank must have been nearly full when you started, otherwise you would have run out of fuel before you returned.John

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I heard a story some time back of a hirer picking up a boat and turning the heating on. When they returned the boat they turned the heating off and were shocked at the amount of diesel they had used. In their case they not done much cruising each day, but where did they think the heating was coming from. Smile

We won't know till the op responds, but they obviously did a fair amount of cruising rather than exploring ashore. If the heater was also on the whole time, then extended cruising and heater usage would explain a lot.

I would also think that it is to late to complain or ask Barnes to explain now. This can be no more than a lessons learnt exercise for the future.

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I hired Brinks Jazz (No. 4) in May this year from Monday to Friday, costing £25 in fuel for around 45 miles cruised. None of these miles were on tidal waters however. But using this as a calculation, it works out I was getting around 1.8 miles for every £1. So as you appeared to have cruised around 165 miles in the week, I work out that at the same rate of cruising speed - in non-tidal waters, the charge would have been just short of £92.

Clearly there are variables like your cruising speed, tidal effects and how much heating you may have used. Having said that I still cannot see that the overall cost would be more than double. I cannot see how the tank would not have been refilled before takeover as this is the process Barnes use to calculate fuel used for the last hirer. Perhaps it was a mistake or was it very early season and that particular boat's first outing? Sadly too late to query it now.

Just to add you certainly had some long days of cruising. Potter Heigham to St Olaves is around 35 miles - only beaten by the trip from Brundall to Wroxham which is 43 miles and must have involved cruising for around 9 hours.

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