The Norfolk BroadsThe Norfolk Broads
Username Password
Norfolk Broads Weather

Mon, 11 Apr 2016 7:20 am BST- Light Rain
5 Day Forecast

Wind 2.0 mph @ 40°
48.0°F/8.89°C Humidity 93% Pressure 29.65 (S)

Welcome to The Norfolk Broads Forum
This is THE Worlds Largest Forum devoted to the Norfolk Broads, here you can discuss issues about the Norfolk Broads. Or just somewhere to chat with others interested in the Norfolk Broads area.

Please Help Support The Norfolk Broads Forum
OR

The Norfolk Broads Forum / Boats / Buying used boat HELP PLEASE
login
join
Graphics Off
Search
Forum Members - Book your Hoseasons holiday today, Just call 0345 498 6296

This is a moderated forum Reply to this DiscussionReply to Discussion | Start new discussionNew Discussion << previous || next >> 
Posted By Discussion Topic: Buying used boat HELP PLEASE

Similar Threads That Might Help :
Buying First Boat - Help Please!| Help, Boat buying questions please| Buying First Boat - Help!!| Buying First Boat - Help!!| Forum help when buying a boat?| help indentify this boat please|

-- Page: 1 2

book mark this topic Printer-friendly Version  send this discussion to a friend  new posts last

Webba47
Apr-29-2019 @ 8:01 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Newbie
Posts: 2
Joined: Apr 2019
          

Add To Ignore List
Hi all we are considering buying boat our budget is around £20000 seen two which are princess 30ds called esme at nya the other a Fairline Mirage 29 called wrong side of river has anyone heard of any nightmare problems with them or can help with finding a 30’ craft
Tia Mike

essexboy
Apr-29-2019 @ 9:13 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Forum Regular
Posts: 406
Joined: Mar 2007
          

Add To Ignore List
Hi,
    Both of those boats come with either Shaft drive or "legs".
They also come with Petrol or Diesel engines.
IMHO the best set up is Diesel and shaft drive, Petrol is not easy to find and has built in danger, shaft drive is cheaper to run long term.
The other consideration is twin engines they are an
unnecessary expense.

George Sims

Steve51
Apr-29-2019 @ 9:18 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Mardles sometimes
Posts: 3431
Joined: Dec 2006
Steve51
          

Add To Ignore List
Hi Mike. This is my personal opininion and others may disagree, but if that is the style of boat you want, the 30 DS is the better option. I would always opt for a shaft drive over an outdrive. Lower maintenance and easier to keep in a straight line at river speeds are the main advantages.

I see the 30DS has a 200 hp engine, which is a tad overpowered for the Broads, but if you want to do a bit of coastal, just the job. If however, pottering around the rivers is all you want her for, perhaps hold on for something with a smaller engine.

I frequently get to hear of boats for sale before they are actually advertised. At the moment I don't know of anything similar to the 2 you are interested in.

Steve. CM1 and NR12

Dilligaf
Apr-30-2019 @ 9:14 AM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Forum Regular
Posts: 525
Joined: Jun 2010
Dilligaf
          

Add To Ignore List
My 30DS suits me well for what I do as it's only 2 + dog but they can feel quite cramped for a 30' boat if you like using the dinnete, the Vee berth however is cavernous.
They handle well for sea use although mine is on twin 150's so has an extra 1/2 ton and sits lower in the water which probably make some difference.
The pics I saw of Esme didn't appear to have a navigators seat, mine has the same setup as the folding helm seat giving the best of both worlds as it still folds to the full L shaped seating.

Dave.
Formerly 'LeoMagill'

billmaxted
Apr-30-2019 @ 9:39 AM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Mudplug Juggler
Posts: 8982
Joined: Mar 2005
billmaxted
          

Add To Ignore List
Yes, to make meaningful comment the missing info, is what do you want to use it for and where will you be based.  £20,000 is a meaningful budget which should open up a number of options.  Not perhaps the best time of year from a buyers point of view, but you might find that someone has a boat which after the winter requires more work than they expected and taking all into account a good deal can be done.

Bill...(The Ancient Mardler)

Hylander
Apr-30-2019 @ 10:12 AM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Mardles sometimes
Posts: 4669
Joined: Sep 2007
Hylander
          

Add To Ignore List
At the end of the day ,  it doesnt matter which boat you fall in love with (and we all do) it is more what you cannot see that is important,  especially under the water line.

Women dont nag they just
point
things out...



M

Calixte
May-07-2019 @ 3:44 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Forum Regular
Posts: 405
Joined: Feb 2010
Calixte
          

Add To Ignore List
Hi Mike both boats are quite nice models but you need to make sure the you buy diesel & shaft driven plus you can not go far wrong buying from NYA as i have found them to be very good & helpful when buying & selling also keep your eyes open for a nice Freeman 27 as they are around your price bracket now and a very well made boat, but you may want to just check out Jones boatyard at St Ives as they do come up cheaper away from the broads.
Good Luck

Kindest Regards Mike

Katmandu
May-13-2019 @ 11:51 AM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Newbie
Posts: 2
Joined: Jan 2017
          

Add To Ignore List
Hi

This is my first post on the forum and a little belated I know but as Mirage 29 Mk 2 owner on the Broads I thought I might be able to add to the conversation.

I cannot comment on the Princess other than to say when we were looking for a boat we looked at them but decided the Mirage layout suited us best, one man’s meat is another man’s poisson as they say, no that is not a spelling mistake.

There are basically three versions of the Mirage one centre cockpit/aft cabin and two rear cockpit, Mk1 and Mk 2.

The differences apart from the obvious is that the aft cabin has a centrally fitted engine and shaft invariably single engine.  The Mk1 and Mk2 are single or twin engine through outdrives, I have never seen a shaft fitted rear cockpit on the market but given the large numbers of variants that do appear never say never, and you more likely to see twins than singles.

The engines are usually petrol as the boat was never produced with diesel originally and any diesels are almost certainly after market fittings but not necessarily “professional”.  The engines normally used are Volvo Penta with the most popular being AQ145 (Straight 4, 140bhp) and AQ175 (V6, 170bhp) with some AQ125(Straight 4, 120bhp) and the Outdrives also Volvo Penta either Aqua 270 or 280 some with contra rotating dual props.

Their can be some differences in the internal fittings e.g. some have a solid bulkhead between the main and front cabin others have asee through bulkhead.  The main difference between the rear cockpit Mk1 and Mk2 is the Mk2 has an additional bunk in the main cabin on the starboard side created by lifting up the back of the long seat and hanging it by straps from the ceiling.  You tell a Mk2 by the two domed nuts on the cabin roof that the bunk hangs from.

We found ours on the Great Ouse where they are very popular and in the marina where we moored there were at least 8 and no two had the same cockpit roofing arrangement, ours has a removal roof, fold down/removable side and front windows.  Some had fixed roofs and windows some had canvas roofs and windows but none the same!!!

They came in two colour schemes blue and maroon but predominantly blue.  Price wise the aft cockpits seem to be consistently in excess of £20,000 usually by £3-4,000 and the rear cockpit less than £20,000.  As usual price will vary depending on engines, condition and what “extras” are fitted.

Hope this was not too late to be useful and if you want to have a look at a Mirage PM me and I am sure it can be arranged.

Cambridgecabby2
May-13-2019 @ 2:40 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Learning The Ropes
Posts: 12
Joined: Oct 2017
          

Add To Ignore List
IMHO going for a petrol boat would be a big mistake , if you’re intending keeping her on the Northern Broads then there is nowhere riverside to purchase fuel so you will have to adopt the jerrycan method , also when we were originally searching for a mooring one or two sites wouldn’t permit petrol boats .

Paladine
May-13-2019 @ 3:14 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Mudplug Juggler
Posts: 7886
Joined: Jul 2008
Paladine
          

Add To Ignore List

I don't think there are any waterside petrol sources on the southern rivers either.

Welcome to the forum, Katmandu. A very informative first post  Smile

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

PAGE: 1 2

Home Photo Gallery Days Afloat Contact Us
Chat Room Downloads Norfolk Broads @ Amazon Make My Logo
Shops & Businesses Members Gear Norfolk Broads @ EBay Holiday Calendar
Pub Guide Tide Tables SOS List Popular Threads
2017 Calendar Contest Make A Donation Links Hireboat Info
Norfolk Broads @ CafePress FAQ Broads Quiz Forum Events
Advertise With Us Forum Shop Boating Bits Stickys and FAQs Boating Bits Hirecraft List

 

 

 



Copyright © 2005 Y2KInternet, All Rights Reserved.