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Karen&Mike
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Yes it's that old chestnut again ! Would like to say we' d spent a delightful  day and night on the lovely Paddys Lane but sadly we've had two lots of long engine running episodes in the day, another during the evening and then the same big hire boat that was the main culprit at it again the following morning. Such a dreadful
disturbance and the poor couple sitting on the back of their boat directly behind them trying to read their books looked truly hacked off! I'm ready to lobby the BA about more signage to discourage  this practice - it's an utter waste of fuel as well as all the noise and other disturbance. Truly fed up. We've been out for 5 days and as usual have only ever run our engine to go down the river.

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Yes I agree had same thing happen to us at Womack 2 weeks ago evening and early morning what’s it all about rubbish batteries or a need for hot water. Adrian.

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I guess its all about the need to have not one shower a day but several!!!!!

Not sure where this belief over personal cleanliness comes from, but on a boat, I can usually manage to last a bit longer - its not as though I am doing anything strenuous!

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Many (perhaps most) of the hirers don't think there is anything wrong in running their engines at moorings. On some of the modern boats, the engine has to be run to use electrical equipment. Quite often, they can hardly hear the noise from inside the boat. It's the poor sods behind them who suffer (particularly if it's one of HW's old Connoisseurs, which seem to have precious little silencing on the exhaust).

I had the same thing last week, in Fleet Dyke. I had a word with the hirers, pointing out (very politely) that they were destroying the peace and quiet of the mooring. They apologised (saying they were trying to top up the batteries) and immediately turned off the engine.

It's all very well saying there is a byelaw to prevent this nuisance (The master of a vessel shall not permit the vessel to emit smoke or fumes or make any noise or nuisance which gives reasonable grounds for annoyance to any other person ), but it usually occurs after Broads Control has shut down for the night, and before they open up again in the morning.

Perhaps taking the offending vessel's details and making a complaint to Broads Control (even the next day) might encourage the BA to be more pro-active, if they get sufficient complaints. Not everyone is confident enough to approach the offending vessel, as not all crews are as amenable as the one I spoke to.

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This is big annoyance for us too when we are afloat. We don't own a boat, atm we can only hire for one week a year and don't want the peace and quiet ruined by an either naive or selfish crew on another boat, be it hire or private.

I can say this though, when we first started to hire, the 4 hours cruising to charge batteries was drummed in to you and we were so scared that the batteries would run flat. They never have and we now have the confidence to know that but then we didn't and if we hand't traveled far we would run the engine from time to time.

So many new to the boards, hiring boats, come to the forums for advice, they ask what should they see, where should they go and such but most of the time they get told to not plan and take it easy, go slow and there's no need to see everything in one week. Which is fair enough but when you are new, you think you have to cruise for at least 4 hours a day so you're thinking of routes to plan for that.

Now, the hot water and showering thing, when you are new and it's all amazing, who wants to shower while you were on the go, who wants to shower once you've moored up for the evening at a pub if there is more than 2 of you getting ready? we now know how to manage this but it's only with experience and happy to miss out on say 15 minutes of cruising time to do it. Also what is wrong with boiling the kettle to get hot water for a wash first thing??? gives a bit of heating in the boat too doing so.

That brings me to heating, we have for the last 8 years taken my parents with us who drink close on to 20 brews a day, the kettle is always on so the boat is very rarely cold.

Just a few thoughts should they be rights or wrong but I do remember being a new hire holiday maker and the fear the yards instill about batteries going flat.

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Playing Devil's advocate here,   would it not be a good idea for these over priced boats (the big ones) to have top notch batteries fitted and then the problems would not arise.      The problem usually stems from the initial introduction to the boat by an engineer who states categorically that the engine must be run for 4 hrs a day.

I agree about the stupid idea that you need or rather must shower every day.    When I was a child we didn't have a shower , you washed all your bits standing in front of a sink.     You are not telling me that 99% of folk hiring boats shower every morning at home.

It is akin to people in hotels at breakfast.   They have a huge breakfast plus.     Most would be glad of a piece of toast at home.   It is a myth that everyone eats breakfast.    I for one have not eaten breakfast for years.  I have watched others making complete pigs of themselves.   Just hope they had plenty of Gaviscon.

If any boat has a problem all concerned would be more than happy to help out and understand about running the engine  for a while.











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I agree with all of the above. Engine running is becoming a real problem, and I echo the view that new hirers are told to run their engines for 4 hours or risk armaggedon. I often cruise just two hours in the day and find no detriment because other days may be closer to the target. As such, you do soon realise the instruction is innaccurate.

When you see how close together some boats are moored, you cannot help but fear for the health of occupants of a neighboring boat. Noxious fumes are being pumped into next door's bedrooms in some cases. Asthma and COPD affect more and more people nowadays and it really seems only a matter of time before someone is taken seriously ill in these circumstances. Responsibility for this needs to be clearly pointed out to those responsible. That means the boat owners not applying suitable boat batteries, engineers giving out eroneous information to holidaymakers and the crews themselves which can be in the form of prominent notices onboard and at mooring sites. Perhaps if those responsible are presented with the possible outcomes, they might think twice about firing the engine up.  



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Once all boats are hybrid they can use electric within, say 20 boat lengths, or on moorings and the iron quant for smoking up the main dregs only!

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For some reason I have noticed engines running at moorings more this year than previous years and Paddy’s Lane seems to get more than its fair share. (This morning at Stracey Arms there was a hire boat with engine continuously running and the heating on!) It seems churlish to take details and report the matter to Broads Control the following day but I can’t offer an alternative suggestion. I know the first thing to do is have a word with the boat’s occupants but there is always the fear of confrontation for some people.

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I am told that some craft with 230v systems automatically start the engine as soon as a light or appliance are turned on.The only real answer is   more electric points It is only in the past few years that hire boats have been provided with plug in facilities & the original power supplies were to charge electric powered boats which never took off.

Peter

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