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Summertime
Jul-26-2017 @ 9:31 AM                           Permalink
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It has been 4 years since my last visit to the broads. Up to that point i had been every year for 25 years since i was a child.

I have been reading posts on this forum for the last year and i get the impression overall that the broads has lost it's magic.

I have hired a boat at the end of August as me and my wife decided it had been too long since we last visited are we going to be dissapointed? Has it changed beyond all recognition? As that is the general impression i am getting.

Many of the pubs seem to have closed or are run down. There are more people just doing what they like and not caring about others around them.The BA seems to have alienated itself to most people. There are less moorings.

These seem to be some of the topics that are fairly consistent on here.

I write this in hope that you will reassure me that i am going to have a nice time and have not wasted my hard earned cash on hiring a boat for a week.

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Jul-26-2017 @ 11:10 AM                           Permalink
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Hi Dont believe every thing you read on hear, i haven't noticed any great change for the worst,no news is good news.there are more electric points about,yes they cost more, but so does your electric at home,the sun stills shines,to hot sometimes,it still rains,people still wave as they go by.water points still work. Womack moorings still 4£.Hire yards still allow reciprocal mooring,yes some people go to fast but they will still help you to moor up. Yes some young fellers drink to much and make a noise i seem to remember in the distant past i did the same,NO face book then only two tv channels.tv cove ridge is better phone cove ridge is better if thes are important to you,The Lord Nelson dosnt sell Goose eggs any more, beer is still good there,cupcakes is closed but post office does coffee buns ect.Whats different??Still works for me i just bimble along and let others do the worrying.John

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Jul-26-2017 @ 11:24 AM                           Permalink
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Hi,

I would say that the biggest change might be - less ducks, but more dogs!

It could also be said that mostly the pubs have improved / been updated over the past four years, and that many of the moorings on the Broads have also been improved.

Other than that, the Broads remains as beautiful and as magical as they've always been.

Kind regards
Richard

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Jul-26-2017 @ 11:27 AM                           Permalink
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Summertime,

Your question isa good one, that probably can only be fully answered by you.

For myself, the answer is a resounding 'No. The Broads are as magical as ever'. And, despite what you may read, are in better shape in the majority of ways than they have been in recent times.

But, I understand the question.
You read that the Broads Authority are incompetent and anti-boating.
You read that bad behaviour, drunkenness and rudeness are relentlessly on the rise. That you can't throw away rubbish so it lays everywhere.
You read that moorings are vanishing. That pubs are closing and that people are deserting the broads for all these reasons.

There is an alternative view, however.

I am not alone in thinking the BA do a decent job balancing many needs of which boating is just one. Not perfect.
I don't believe John Packman is an evil man out to ban boating. In fact, I think the idea he wants to ban boating is genuinely insane. I have more respect for those who think we didnt walk on the moon - and they're lunatics.

There is a VERY vocal minority who do believe that, who often seem to believe they speak for us all, but they don't. The majority stay silent- probably too busy having a nice time for that nonsense.

The BA struggles to provide moorings in the face of landowners wanting to take them back and run them commercially. But they have a clear strategy and have delivered some good news in that area recently.
Wild moorings have suffered due to the EA replacing quay heading with profiled 'natural' banks. (Something that caused huge amounts of doom and gloom, but has delivered beautiful reed edges to many of the rivers.)

The rubbish problem is a problem, but frequently overstated, and was causes by County Councils stopping the services to save money. The BA then declined - quite rightly in my view - to become a waste collector, and has worked with Parish Councils to make the best of a bad situation.

On the other side, the Broads are exactly the same as they ever were. I watched a film from the 1930s of a family on holiday, and while the shape and type of the boats had changed and some buildings had changed - it was like watching my family having a holiday. They were doing the same things having the same fun in places that look remarkably the same.

Why then, do you read so many negative things on the forums?

My guess is, that is to a degree the nature of forums - they tend to be about what isn't going right, and it may also be the nature to who posts....

It is a common byproduct of increasing age to see the past as a golden era, and that everything now is getting worse, but the reality is that our lives by any measurable metric, continue to get better.

You must decide where the truth lies. I would be gutted if you visited and found it as you fear, but I can only speak for myself when I say I think it is better here than ever. But then I moved from London...


Oh and while I'm at it, it is a bloody National Park - it says so on the National Parks website, and it gets £3 million National Park grant. It quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, its just not exactly the same as the other ducks.

Bill

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Jul-26-2017 @ 11:40 AM                           Permalink
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Hi Summertime.  

I still hire boats every year and come  rain or shine have yet to have a holiday I didn't thoroughly enjoy.  I think it only natural that you hear of the more extreme bad experiences and not so much of the good ones.

As far as pubs being shut down, the only riverside ones that I'm aware of are The Berney Arms and what used to be The Stracey Arms.  I know that The Beauchamp Arms, The Lord Nelson and The Lion Inn were closed for some time but I believe they have all since reopened.

Have a great holiday. Cheers

Kind Regards
Alan...
www.mynorfolkbroadsboating.co.uk/

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Jul-26-2017 @ 12:48 PM                           Permalink
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"Oh and while I'm at it, it is a bloody National Park - it says so on the National Parks website"

It's a marketing name ONLY. Ask Defra.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Hi summertime

Like others I believe that overall the broads have improved  since the 70's. The water is cleaner, the fishing is better and sighting an otter or kingfisher more common..

I can add the broadshaven at potter as a closed pub but it was not much cop anyway. To compensate the falgate has reopened, the pub in Ludham village has increased its hours and menu and a brilliant cafe has opened in potter next to the broadshaven site.

You will find fewer sailing boats and more motor cruisers. These are longer, taller and those with diesel powered electric appliances more noisy but these are in the minority.

I would take no notice of the current fuss about stag parties as in the 70's I remember seeing boats of young men urinating from the cabin roof in unison as they went through horning .Not pleasant but definitely no worse now than then.

Overall I would currently give the Broads  8 out of 10. Yes the rubbish collection issue needs sorting and there are still a small number of areas where the buildings and boats are virtually derelict but that is about all.

Finally people are just as friendly and helpful as they have ever been.

Enjoy yourself


Graham

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Sums it up nicely Bill!!!

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Jul-26-2017 @ 2:41 PM                           Permalink
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Unfortunately not everthing is good news....I can no longer receive the BBC Light Programme in some areas [especially the Chet and the Yare ] and what use is a Sunday without the Billy Cotton Band Show and Round the Horne. On the plus side I,ve heard on the grapevine that Hughie Green is not currently on T.V. or radio in East Anglia. Yer wins some and yer loses some.
         Keep smiling, Brian.

            Yes I,m coming nurse.....

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The Broads just gets better.  Pubs on the up since you were last here include the Thurne Lion and the White Horse at Neatishead.  Improved food and a cracking selection of beers.  Wildlife is blooming, herons, otters, kingfishers and even bitterns now regularly sighted, and marsh harriers commonplace.  Boaters as friendly as ever (apart from the handful of old grumps).  Weather brilliant (except when it's not).  

As others have said or implied, there are some folk with too much time on their hands who have nothing better to do than whinge or complain on a forum like this, and who are so knotted up by their belief in some kind of conspiracy to stop them boating that they have to hijack every thread (wait for it) with their rantings.

Come and enjoy the Broads National Park, it's lovely

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