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Hi all been absent from here since joining as a newbie to the boating world.

Our nightmare as a first-time buyers:

In our naivety on buying a boat (private seller via a broker) from a boatyard, we allowed ourselves to be talked out of a prepurchase survey!
We trusted that the advice and guidance from the boatyard would be honest (stupid us).

We had discussed that we would want a survey and if all ok purchase the boat and then get the boatyard to carry out the antifouling once we purchased it, the broker then went on to say:

You would be having the boat lifted twice, once for the survey £1000, and then for the antifouling £750, when what we can do is an 'out of water condition report' at the same time as the antifouling (£250) saving the cost of the survey etc' this discussion was not as concise as this as the chat on this went on for 10 minutes

so we expressed our concerns that if we did not get a survey and then something come to light during the condition report that would cost us £5000 we could not afford it, we were then assured (the word guarantee was used) that there would be nothing that would show up that would cost anything like that, he did say that some things might show up but they would not be serious, we had spoken about osmosis and anodes and prop gaskets etc.

Anyway we bought the boat, and then I discovered a week later a small damp patch behind the sofa, I lifted the floor to discover a rotten stringer, on further investigation all the stringers are rotten and large sections none existent from complete deterioration, there had been a very poor DIY job carried out by the previous owner that addressed the support to the floor that the stringers offered, but did not address the more serious issue of the structural aspect of the boat.
So I approached the boatyard who then inspected and said it could not be lifted in this condition.

The boatyard has stated it is not their responsibility as they are just the middlemen, nor the sellers and it is basically down to us.

Now unfortunately the written description of the boat does not include condition, and it is purely the brokers word we took regarding that it will not have anything costly needed

Needless to say, this has caused us a great deal of stress and upset, and we have a boat that needs all of the internal elements ripping out, kitchen/toilet/shower, original walls, in order to remove all of the floor and replace the stringers.

A costly process that we cannot afford.

We are at a loss as what to do, we have a boat not fit for purpose, that we cannot get insured other than 3rd party, paying for it to be moored.

I know this is a common mistake for novices, though we did innocently have faith that a boatyard acting as a broker would certainly not so blatantly mislead us.

We have taken it to another (honourable) boatyard to advise on its condition and what needs doing, who expressed disgust at the selling practices (advice) and that the selling yard has said it has nothing to do with them.








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Oct-15-2021 @ 8:29 AM                           Permalink
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I would take legal advice but I'm afraid you will be told the same "caveat emptor" it is the buyers responsibility to check condition, buyer beware!
I don't know which boatyard you bought through but talking to the owner/M.D. may have an effect but I doubt it.
What boat is it that you have?

Dave

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I feel really sorry for you on this one. I Will say that there is one particular boatyard that I wouldn't touch with a proverbial barge pole but that doesn't help you.

We are going through funny old times and people have been unduly desperate to buy a boat and consequently, some rough old ones have been offloaded and sometimes at grossly inflated prices.

I am a bit surprised at the prices that you have been quoted for slipping, perhaps you were being tactically dissuaded from having a survey.

Mind you, a survey afloat was not impossible, e.g. asking a boatyard to go through her, if nothing else lifting the floorboards. Any creditable, experienced boatyard will know the likely problems associated with various types of boats and will know where to look.

Still, that doesn't help you now. To add to your problems most boatyards will by now have their winter schedules taken up and won't want to take on any extra work.

In your position, I would approach both Richardsons and Martham Boats, the latter dependent on whether your boat will pass under Potter Heigham Bridge. Both are well able to deal with sad boats.

I don't envy you your situation. At forty pounds plus an hour a thorough refurb is going to be expensive.

It's all very well being wise after the event, what to do now? Richardsons, maybe ask to speak to Clive, would be my next port of call.



  

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Very sorry to hear of your experiences. It would be useful to know which boatyard you bought your boat from and which you are now speaking to. However, it might not be prudent to answer on the open forum, so please PM me.  I have just sold my boat after nearly 40 year of boat ownership, so I may be able to offer some advice on specific points if you care to ask. There are also many on the forum who are far more experienced than me.  Hope you can get sorted.

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I suspect that a few of us could make an educated guess as to which yard and also as to the type of boat. Perhaps we should keep it to a guess though!

Looking ahead I suspect that it all boils down to budget and whether the boat is worth an expensive yard bill, whether it is worth throwing money at.  I also suspect that next summer's boating will be taken up by rebuilding work. Our forum friend is now in an unpleasant corner, personally I'd try and offload the boat before the bills come rolling in despite a probable loss.

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Name and Shame.
then at least others new to the game would know who to avoid.

hitting those new to boat ownership with unrealistic quotes and bills leaves a bad taste in the mouth and gives a bad impression for all of the yards as the new purchasers don't have any previous knowledge of who to avoid.



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Clive has been mentioned a couple of times for a contact at Richardsons. I believe he is now running his own show at Horning Pleasurecraft.

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My two pennies worth is that looking back will do no good. Looking forward depends on whether you bought the boat because you loved it or because you thought you were getting a bargain.

If the former stay with it and treat the repairs as restoration budgeted over a few years .

If the latter get shot of it now even as a project if necessary. It will never bring you joy and you don't know what other gremlins you may find .

Don't think naming helps anybody as there are always two sides and a slanging match invariably follows.

Even for new boat owners the recognised advice couldn't be clearer . Get a survey unless you know the boat well or it comes with a written guarantee .

Boat ownership and saving money do not often appear together in the same sentence

Hope you manage to move forward successfully.

Graham  

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I believe he is now running his own show at Horning Pleasurecraft.

He is and there's been some changes with staff and from
what Iv'e heard, all to the good too.

The older I get...
The better I was....!!

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Ok, If not knowing which yards to trust or avoid.
then the best course of action would be not to trust any of 'em.

the downside to this is the bad practices of the yard in question get to continue selling cr*p to new boaters.
and the decent yards suffer the same distrust.

boatyards with a bad reputation have a choice, change practices  for the better, or lose custom and go under.

it might have been prudent to either,
insist on a survey,
a thorough inspection yourself before parting with the coin,
walk away and find another boat.
but hindsight is always 20/20.


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