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JollyRodger
Nov-27-2018 @ 8:22 PM                           Permalink
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I'll have another go. Surely not unreasonable to expect an answer.

J.P. Should you read this then I would appreciate knowing what percentage of our toll is spent on navigation and what is spent on overheads. I hear suggestions and rumours of about a 50/50 split although I don't know this for a fact. If it is a fact then rather than keep hitting the toll payer where it hurts why not cut those overheads?

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JR you. will never get an answer to that question as it depends what you allocate to Navigation.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.

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JollyRodger, perhaps I can help.

”At the meeting of the Broads Authority on 21 March 2014, a report on the strategic response to the National Park Grant reductions was considered, which included budget options for the 2014/15 budget and the financial strategy to 2016/17. It was resolved to propose changes to the apportionment for operational activities from the current level of 40:60 between National Park and Navigation, to 35:65 in 2015/16 with a view to further increasing the proportion devoted to Navigation to 70% in 2016/17.” (source )

So the differential of the costs of operational activities between NP and Navigation went from 40:60 (20%) to 30:70 (40%), to allow for the reduction in NP grant (and the tolls went up). I think it is politely called ’constructive accounting’. Many boaters have another name for it.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Nov-28-2018 @ 11:38 AM                           Permalink
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Morning Richard,

Yes Richard the Navigation Committee unanimously recommended an increase of 2.6% for next year but it was the Broads Authority that took the decision.

I fully understand that any increase in costs is unwelcome. But I don’t suggest you take her to the Fens. By my calculation you would be paying an extra £125 this year, an extra £160 next year and close on an extra £200 in 2020/21.

Best wishes
John


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Morning Jolly Rodger,

It has taken me a little time to calculate the percentage of navigation expenditure accounted for by overheads.

There are some complications. So for example I have included the total cost to navigation of insurance, even though a large part of that is associated with insuring the equipment that is undertaking the practical work.

By my estimation the overhead costs for navigation are around 19%.

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Good morning Paladine,

The changes in the apportionment of the operational costs was matched by a commensurate increase in navigation practical works.

Please have a look at the report to the Committee last June which sets that out that for the Construction and Maintenance Team for 2017/18. While we had planned for them to spend 70% of their days on navigation works the actual was 75%.
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/1239519/CME-Work-Update-nc140618.pdf

Regards
John


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One wonders how a meaningful comparison can be made between other inland waterways and the Broads, when comparing costs.

For example, the Canal and Rivers Trust have around 2,000 miles of navigable waterways, compared to the 125 miles of the Broads. CaRT provide toilet facilities, showers, Elsan disposal points, domestic waste disposal facilities, pump-out facilities (but it's probably cheaper to use marina pumpout facilities). The latter by prepaid card, the cost of which includes some electricity and free use of showers,  while the Broads Authority provide...erm?

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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"Good morning Paladine,

The changes in the apportionment of the operational costs was matched by a commensurate increase in navigation practical works.

Please have a look at the report to the Committee last June which sets that out that for the Construction and Maintenance Team for 2017/18. While we had planned for them to spend 70% of their days on navigation works the actual was 75%.
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/1239519/CME-Work-Update-nc140618.pdf

Regards
John"


The obvious question, then, is how did increasing the cost to navigation compensate for the decrease in the government grant, unless it was to disguise the transfer of costs from the NP budget to the navigation budget? I would have thought that there should have been a cutting back of NP expenses, not an increase in navigation expenses.

If more money is required for navigation, the tolls go up. If more money is needed for NP purposes, because of the government grant cut-back, the tolls go up. Disregarding this shuffling of operational costs, precisely what economies were made to NP activities to accommodate the reduction in government grant, pound for pound?

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

JollyRodger
Nov-28-2018 @ 1:18 PM                           Permalink
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Thank you, JP, for answering my question. I'll now leave this to Paladine to keep asking the questions that need asking. I suffer from dyscalculia, especially where creative accountancy is allegedly involved, so I will trust Paladin to pursue this one.


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Regarding cost cutting the Authority closed several information and visitor centres. Strange then that they now propose the building of a new one at Acle Bridge.

Jolly Rodger

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