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Thank you for that information. I was relying on this BA publication, which is clearly out-of-date https://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0030/185178/canoe_web_strip_09.pdf  I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised by that.

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So, essentially, there's no useful or reliable system to police the tolls for canoes, paddle boards or kayaks and therefore it's a free for all! No real need to bother if you are using one. There's been an explosion in particular of paddleboarders and yet it seems that the BA have nothing in place to ensure compliance with the requirement to toll, nor are they bothering with the dangerously inadequste inflatable toys - most usually seen on hire boats so we can assume this is another pandering to the hire boat  industry ? Another opportunity to bow to the big boys and keep on targeting the private owner ! ?  And what makes us such an easy target ?  Well, just like the regular motorist , it's our compliance with all their rules, our display of a reg number, correctly registered to our name and address , so, I can now understand the strength of feeling expressed to me recently by another owner who suggested we rip em off and don't pay the toll next year. See how that goes down ? It's a valid point !

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Pally thanks for your info on Weils - I've watched soooo many swimmers this year merrily dunking their heads into the filthy waters often with mouths open. A lot of them being daytrippers and holidaymakers kids , treating the rivers like some lake or bay on the Med,  and I truly believe this is being fuelled / encouraged in many ways ,  including websites like the ones I mentioned which encourages swimming  on The Broads  in numerous main locations.  They may well promote certain good practices , but the regular sight  of them is encouraging others  to simply chuck themselves and their  children and their teenagers into the water.  I'm sure I'm not the only one to have noticed a big increase in this activity. I feel the BA need to do more to discourage this.

A Norfolk acquaintance of ours contracted this horrible disease after falling into the river whilst working a few years ago. He was very ill for some time.

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IMHO Paddle boards should be banned from the majority of the Norfolk Broads for the safety of their users. I do not have this issue with canoeists as their craft are much more stable.

Personally, I always slow down to tick over speed when in the close vicinity of both craft and give them the respect of the river and if a paddle boarder gets anywhere near my boat I am ready to take it out of gear instantly.

However, can I give you all a scenario? On a narrow river such as the Ant, an inexperienced hirer is passing some paddleboarders and one falls off his/her board as often happens, next to the boat which could be a bathtub with very little rear view. Arms and legs are flaying around and there is a whopping great propeller thrashing through the water, yes, you have got it, as they say "life changing injuries".

There should be designated areas for paddle boarding such as off the fairway on Hickling Broad, Barton Broad etc. Wider rivers could be considered provided the boarders kept to the edges.

    


    

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Once you start designating particular areas for particular craft, where will it stop? The navigation must remain open for ALL users.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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I think you make some very valid points there, particularly as I have only this afternoon read of a paddleboarders death ( not on the Broads but elsewhere in the U.K. ) after coming off their board and becoming tangled in some moorings by a sailing club. There were little other details, only a brief report , but a terrible incident and tragic loss for their family and friends.

I've seen big groups of paddle-boarders very close to moored boats, infact very recently about 8 of them all got in the water from the quay heading  just at the back of a hire boat which was moored up but running its engine !

Specific safe areas sounds a good idea to me. And the same goes for wild swimmers, though personally I think if swimming is to carry on it should be limited to specific events only and all other swimming banned. For the safety of all.

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As I typed that I have to admit I was thinking , hang on though, why should the navigation be closed off when us boaters have paid a full toll...

... so perhaps they should only paddleboard and swim on the sections of river not accessible to boats? If I remember correctly, there was an event for wild swimmers at The WRC a year or two ago, and some of the river was closed off? - is that correct? If so, how can that be justified? When I queried the whole encouragement of swimming with a wild swimming website, and I'd checked the BA advice first, I was told that people are advised that it's a good idea to try and swim early morning and after boats have moored up for tea, but of course there's a naivety there in that plenty of us private boats are out and about at differing times and with nav lights at dusk for example are perfectly allowed to do so. When I pointed out that the rivers have boats on at all times throughout the year, I was again challenged by the website owner. As I have said before, this is going to end up with a nasty accident happening. Safety has to be paramount and I don't think swimmers and paddle-boarders are a good mix with boats.

So, on reflection, why should the navigation be closed off for what are , mostly, non paying users?!

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I must admit that the evidence for banning paddle boarders from the Broads just keeps building up.

As I understand it, they come over 'ere, they use our rivers when they may or may not have paid a toll (we can't tell), they might fall in, if they fall in they might catch a disease  (that is if they're not drownded anyway), they travel to the river in cars and then thoughtlessly leave them in car parks, they get in the way of other river users, other river users have to slow down to pass them - the list goes on!  Oh, and what's more, they're probably young, excitable and shout cheerfully to each other as they paddle along.  Bah!

And yet, and yet....and yet.........the thing is that paddle boarding actually looks rather appealing to me - like canoeing with a flybridge!  I have yet to try it but intend to do so.

It appears to have very little impact on the environment in which it is conducted. The boards are not noisy, they are not smelly, they leave no trace of pollutants in their wake and their use requires neither permanent nor overnight moorings to be provided. The person paddling is improving their health, balance and coordination and their near silent progress allows a splendid view of wildlife.  In fact, the proximity of the paddler to the watery environment through which they are proceeding affords them an intimacy of sight and smell that is often lost to those on larger or noisier forms of transport.

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This debate reminds me of the very funny section in 3 men in a boat when the author complains about motor cruisers and their crew spoiling his enjoyment whilst he is in his rowing skiff and the moment he is on board a cruiser he then vents his spleen on the antisocial behaviour of people in rowing skiffs .

I have tried supping and it is not as easy as it looks particularly when one is not of slender build . I also had the advantage of being able to fall off into the waters of the Caribbean .

What I found was that  learners were a menace to all others ( much like anything in life ) but that once competent a supper  was as stable and nimble and as unlikely to fall off as any other form of water traffic.

For the reasons suggested by the previous post I suspect that much like electric bikes and skateboards in their day this activity is going to explode in popularity  

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"For the reasons suggested by the previous post I suspect that much like electric bikes and skateboards in their day this activity is going to explode in popularity"

It may also be a way of replacing the old, (and not-so-old) curmudgeonly motor-boaters with a more youthful user-group, who, when their bodies age and begin to tire more easily, decide to opt for a powered (wind or motor) version, but who will have gained a valuable insight of the benefits of gentle navigation. A bit like my younger days of having a motorbike (we couldn't afford cars back then - and yes, they had been invented!) which gave us two-wheeling youngsters a keen appreciation of manhole covers, potholes and oil slicks - something that the new drivers of today, who jump straight into something with four wheels, lack.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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