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One of my New Years resolutions for 2018- apart from sort the bloody engine mounts out- is to go and dig my tabernacle and mast out and get mine sailing again. She sails fine down wind but tacks like a block of flats up wind, but,
as somone once told me, gentlemen Sail down wind and the engine is for up wind. Didn't know that about sailing boats but obvious now I think about it! But as always a quick phone call to BA will resolve the issue, better to get the facts and be compliant then run the risk of getting in the poo.... Possibly literally in this case! Lol

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Hi again folks

Thanks very much for your advice. There are some great ideas there and I will certainly be consulting Mr Google’s searching website and the Broads Authority to investigate further.
In my first post I mentioned that I was looking for a yacht such as a Sonata, Hunter 23, Pegasus or similar, but I should have mentioned that I have already decided that a shallow fin or wing keel was the preferred option. It should have an inboard engine, or at least an outboard tucked under the cockpit benches (rather than taking up seating space) or an outboard on a lifting bracket on the transom.
The yacht should also have reasonable headroom, a separate heads, comfortable berths and space for a decent cooker and maybe a small fridge or coolbox.
It should also have excellent sailing qualities and be able to race occasionally and make fast passages on the Broads or at sea. I prefer to sail wherever possible and would use a motor only in a dead calm.
The only problem is I have not yet been able to find the perfect yacht. Perhaps I never will. Maybe it is not the right time of year to search, but I have been looking since August. It seems that good boats are snapped up quickly while the not so good linger on the pages of brokers’ websites.
I guess my years of owning fast wooden Broads yachts followed by later years of racing and cruising GRP sea yachts have tainted my search for the perfect Broads/coastal cruiser.
Maybe I should buy one of the delightful wooden Broads yachts currently for sale. I loved all the maintenance, replacing planks and other wooden parts, the sanding, painting and varnishing. But I did promise Mrs B that I would buy a GRP so that I could divert my DIY skills to our home.
In the meantime, the search for the perfect yacht continues as I continue to swot up on sea loos, BSS safety tests, A-frames, DIY pitch-poles, sway braces and carbon spars (now, I do like that idea, but would be reluctant to dispose of a perfectly good mast and boom from a hull that fits the bill).
If anyone hears of a suitable yacht for sale please let me know.

Cheers

Broadreach









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Dec-29-2017 @ 2:30 PM                           Permalink
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Presumably you have checked Topsail?? Pegasus 700 or 800 both available and both would fit your criteria! More room, pay more or less, pay less!
Job done!!

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I would listen to MM.
Especially the Pegasus 700 and 800 which come with a variety of keel options. Simply choose one that you see as most suitable for your needs. They are obviously already on your radar.
These are generally not expensive boats to buy. They fit the bill ideally for Broads and coastal sailing.

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Have you tried Appollo Duck .com? They usually have a few seagoing boats on. Classic yachts is also a good place but you being a fan of the wooden boats will already know that.... In my experience if you are looking for a boat that is already on the broads then March is a good time to look as its renew Tolls time and most marinas have their berth fees letter out too, so March is usually the time to find people deciding that the boat has got to go due to expense. If distance is no object and you don't mind a sea voyage, try Gallows Point boat yard by Beaumaris on Anglesey N Wales, I bought my boat there as I was after a distinctive type of boat but they do have a few sailboats cheap as they are projects that people have given up on. Dickies boat yard in Bangor, N Wales is also a good place to look for the same reason.... People with projects that prove too expensive or the wife puts her foot down. Or even E Bay. One note though on Appollo Duck..... The person who is selling the boat supply's the pictures and Appollo them selves don't check if the picture is current! When I left the military I went round in a camper van viewing all the boats if shortlisted and found a few were actually sunk and the pictures very very out of date! Ironically I found my boat 50 miles away from where I was brought up as a kid and u was only there due to circumnavigating Anglesy in a kayak! Odd how things work out. Good luck with the hunt..... Somewhere out there there is a boat with your name on it, you just have to be patient and maybe settle for so thing with potential rather than a hard fast it " must have" I was after a 60' fishing boat and ended up with a 20' colvic but, she spoke to me and I knew she would be mine and she had potential....

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Thanks MM and Exile

The Pegasus 700 was top of my list when I first started looking but I am yet to find one that fits all my requirements. Any Hunter yachts based on the Sonata hull and with a shallow fin keel would be second choice.

Stick: Yes I am keeping tabs on Appollo Duck and brokers based on the coast and have been investigating a few boats which could be adapted for the Broads, hence the enquiries about mast-lowering gear and sea loos!
I guess March might be a good time to buy but in the past I have usually bought a yacht at the end of the season, then tucked them up in a yard's shed to spend weeks on finding new gear, making modifications and   completing thorough painting, varnishing and antifouling before launching at the end of March.

Thanks again to all for your help and guidance.

cheers

Broadreach


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Broadreach

I have an a-frame with an electric winch arrangement (see photo).

If you buy a yacht without an A-Frame as has been suggested you can get a stainless steel fabricator to make one for you, or as others have said, you can make one with something like a second hand spinnaker pole and strops each side that line up with the hinge point to create the "A" frame. Add a block and tackle and bobs your uncle..... I did this on my last boat as the foredeck was too small for a permanent a-frame.

As for toilet, although there are no specific requirements for yachts on the broads, I fitted a holding tank a couple of years ago - main challenge being space for the tank and all the pipework that goes with it. However it is possible to do. I think we will see more and more yachts being designed with Holding tanks as standard in the future.

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Thanks GW2000

That looks a very impressive set-up with winch and mast in a nicely made stainless steel tabernacle. Your boat looks bigger that something like a Pegasus 700. Is it nearer 28-30ft? Did you have the tabernacle and A frame made on the Broads? Can you recommend a good stainless steel fabricator?
Having only lowered and raised counter-balanced wooden masts in tabernacles I have no idea about hingeing a metal mast or fitting one in a tabernacle like yours.
If I do buy a boat without a hinge plate at the mast foot is it easy to have one fitted? Similarly, if I have a tabernacle made can any mast be drilled to take the pivot bolt? I guess the area around the hole would have to be strengthened to spread the load and prevent cracking and dismasting?

This is all starting to sound much more complex (and expensive) than I thought.

However,I am determined to learn and avoid making any expensive mistakes.

cheers

Broadreach


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Broadreach, this post from earlier this year should answer your questions about sea toilets.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Broad reach, keep a hawk eye out for an Evolution 19 or if the budget will stretch the next sistership up, 21 22 ish. Both lift keels from about a foot to five draft, and trailer sailer racers. They,re the late 70s equivalent of the modern beneateaufirst brand yachts and more akin to the class of a southerly swing keel if they ever did something this scale. The evo will out sail a horizon or Pegasus based on what I’ve witnessed. The other consideration is a Parker or a Jaguar. The westerly 22 is a bit more of a slouch on the broads but an excellent sea boat for coast hopping and with full beam accommodation albeit not standing headroom and a simple rig more akin to what the broads minded dismaster is likely to find undaunting.

I’m sure dufour or laser did something similar in the 80s but can’t for the life of me remember which model, there was one called whisper at hickling I think.

With a lift keel and lighter carbon rig and aero foil rudders and water tight windows there never been a better time to bag a bargain and enjoy the best of both worlds! Happy hunting but not necessarily in a hunter!

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I like your style Turnoar

I might be a retired older gent but I do like a fast, efficient yacht or dinghy. In fact, I still enjoy racing Lasers, cats and fast two-crew dinghies during annual hols in Greece. Will keep watch for the boats you recommended. There is a Jaguar 22  currently on the market.
Cheers
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