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May-31-2007 @ 3:39 PM                           Permalink
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Hi

Just thought you might be intrested in the direct compasion in tolls between The BA and British Waterways, Blue Skies has Just gone to the Canals and this year her BA Tool was £137 on the British Waterways £375!!! Gasp

So I don't think I'll complain quite so much.

In fact I would like to thank BA for being so understanding with my toll this year! Having bought it for Blue Skies very early and then selling her they most kindly transfer it across to our new boat, I of course did pay the balance. But a BIG well done for taking a generous view Cheers. I only had to pay a 'single passage toll' to take Blue Skies to Ludham Bridge to get her lifted.

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May-31-2007 @ 4:01 PM                           Permalink
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That comparison does look very one sided at first glance. When you consider what BW have to do and the facilities provided it is not really a fair comparison.
They have 2,200 miles of waterways to maintain along with the hundreds of locks and the miles of towpath. There are frequent facility blocks with free showers, toilets and elsan disposal etc. At the last count there were approximately 28,000 craft registered with BW. Might sound a lot but when you spread this over the area of navigation its not that many.

Doesn't exactly compare with what the BA have to provide now does it?

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But Trevor,
We have Andy and his mates Spot On rangers,  BA,NEVER MIND THE MANAGEMENT
These blokes will help you,bet you will not get the help on the Canals you will get here.
Bet the BW folk are not so friendly.
The Rangers are the most SPOT ON LOT of Folk i have ever met.
Once again thank you to all the Rangers for looking out for us.
Ok i know we need more but ?



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May-31-2007 @ 9:50 PM                           Permalink
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You couldn't be more wrong roy Ive been on the caledonian canal and the thames both looked after by BW and of all the lock keepers and river police all employed by BW I never once met any of them unfriendly in fact I had some great chats with them.

Also like Trevor say's the BW have thousands of miles of canals and rivers to look after and you do get quite a few facilities at least what Ive seen the places I've been.


P.S. The rangers on the broads still do a good job but never herd one talk apart from AJB off here.

james



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James, fair point lets throw it open to all our members to respond.
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May-31-2007 @ 10:31 PM                           Permalink
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You are quite right James, the BW "Lengthsmen" are very friendly and go out of their way to help whenever they can.
Two quick examples....
Trying to start my engine one morning and the battery is as flat as any proverbial. BW bod wanders past and notices. Ten minutes later he is huffing and puffing down the towpath pushing a wheel barrow loaded with an industrial jump starter.

When i moved my boat down to the Broads in December I had to move it from my mooring to the boatyard where there was a slipway. The waterway I was moored on is the Calder & Hebble which is a river and canal navigation. All the canal lengths are protected by flood gates for when the river levels are high due to weather conditions. December is not the best month to begin with but, as my arranged date of transport to Norfolk approached it became abundantly clear that the weather was not going to play the game and all the flood gates were closed. That means no navigation! I spoke to BW who told me that there was little chance of the gates being opened until after my moving date the way the weather was. I was grumbling how I was going to lose my transport slot and some money and the local BW man on the towpath heard me. He asked for my mobile number. Sunday morning, the day before my transport, my phone rang at 7am. "Go and get your boat moving". "what about the flood locks"? "They will be sorted" was the answer.
Bear in mind that the lengths between flood locks or "pounds" as they are called are about 3/4 of a mile long and imagine the time needed to get a level in order to open the gates?
When we got to the first flood lock the gates were open and two BW men were there waving us through. Exactly the same story at the next two. It was sunday morning and it must have taken at least four or five staff to do this. Saved me a whole load of bother and that's what I call "Good service".

Trevor

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May-31-2007 @ 10:39 PM                           Permalink
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This is not an attempt to suggest that BW towpath staff are any better or any worse than BA Bank staff. I said initially its not a fair comparison.
Over the years its become very clear to me that the very nature of boating wherever you are produces lots of helpful and friendly people and this shows both on the Broads and the canals, in fact on all the waterways I've been on. Its not a competition or a "ours are better than yours so ner ner " topic.

Trevor

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I was on the Caledonian Canal last week, and I'd agree with James that the staff (ie lockkeepers) are helpful people. Most of the system's traffic is hire cruisers and they help make things nice and easy particularly for the inexperienced. There's quite a lot of them too - all locks on that system are fully mechanised and manned with at least one keeper.

The general facilities are also good - Fort Augustus for example has two modern shower / toilet / washing machine blocks (one at either end of the moorings for the flight of 5 locks) which are only for use by boaters. There are other such facilities dotted about the canal. Of course the higher tolls pay for that, but these are useful facilities.

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I think BW get millions more from Government than we do,  Frown

Andy

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Jun-01-2007 @ 9:56 AM                           Permalink
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Hi

This wasn't meant to be a go at the BW or it's staff!! All the Waterways and Broads staff do a grand job and are most helpful and friendly.

I thought you the Forum members would like a direct and upto date price comparison for BA to BW cost of tolls for the same boat.

Yes the BW has more to up keep, thank goodness we don't have locks on the Broads, I'd be kna***d  Blush  but they do have more boats to raise funds from and I doubt that any given boat uses more water (distance that is) than a boat on the Broads.

This post was also a thanks to the office staff at the Broads Authority for their help and understanding on the transfer of the Toll from Blue Skies to L'Ondine, even though in the 'book' it says it can't be done, sense and fair play prevailed.

John, a happy little Broads Cruiser, who'ed be happy to have a go on the Canals to  Smile

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