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Jan-18-2022 @ 7:41 PM                           Permalink
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"...their exemplary contribution to our welfare on the rivers."

Exemplary? By and large, the rangers do a good job, but they are certainly not above criticism.

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Flonker, the Rangers, by and large, do a good job. They are also the face of an increasingly discredited Authority, the Authority being 'them'. During the first lockdown a Ranger was policing covid restrictions on The Yare around Brundall.


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The BBC report says, “In addition, rangers could be permitted to make public space protection orders to deter "genuinely anti-social behaviour".  Utter rubbish!

Public Space Protection Orders were introduced by the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014, which empowers local authorities to make Orders, subject to two conditions. It is extension of this power to NP authorities and the BNA that is under consideration.

The first condition is that:

(a)activities carried on in a public place within the authority’s area have had a detrimental effect on the quality of life of those in the locality, or
(b)it is likely that activities will be carried on in a public place within that area and that they will have such an effect.

The second condition is that the effect, or likely effect, of the activities:

(a)is, or is likely to be, of a persistent or continuing nature,
(b)is, or is likely to be, such as to make the activities unreasonable, and
(c)justifies the restrictions imposed by the notice.

There are a couple of reasons why I think that extension of powers is irrelevant, as far as the BNA is concerned.

1. The County Council and the District Councils that cover the Broads already have that power. If, and it’s a very big if, it was necessary to make an Order for any part of the Broads, that could already be achieved by the relevant council.

2. I find it very difficult to think of any activity on the Broads that is of such regularity and frequency as to satisfy either of the statutory conditions.

The legislation and HMG guidance can be found here:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/12/section/59/enacted
  
https://www.local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/10.21%20PSPO%20guidance_06_1.pdf

As far as I can see, most of the PSPOs in Norfolk relate to the control of dogs. Great Yarmouth has made some relating to dogs, motor vehicles (drag racing etc) and drinking alcohol in a area subject of a PSPO. https://www.great-yarmouth.gov.uk/public-space-protection-orders

The more I look at them, the more the review proposals seem inappropriate for the Broads.




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Sooner or later ,something has to be done to tackle this poor behaviour, that most of us has seen ,witnessed over the past few years , yes the problem has been growing over this time , one thing that seems to be not mentioned or forgotten to help tackle this growing problem is where is norfolk police,  broads beat unit ? One patrol boat that is towed to either northern and Southern broads and slipped there for days patrol, yes they have patrol vehicle to try get to places ,but is there enough man / women power ? Is one patrol boat enough now ? Could a few more police officers be put on patrol with a BA launch to help tackle this problem,  more so during the busy times during the season?

steve and vicky
( not a broads local,so my views ,knowledge doesn't count )

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The mere fact that offences that are enforceable by the police are now being considered for farming out to National Park and Broads rangers says much about the inability of the constabulary, nationwide, to cope. Norfolk Police are no different to other forces, in that respect.

In Norfolk, as in other areas, particularly in cities and towns, there are regular 'hot spots' (like Prince of Wales Road in Norwich), where there is regularly disorder, at particular times. Very easy to target resources in those cases.

But if officers are required there, they aren't available for elsewhere. And they still have to have time off.

Boaters set off (and I'm not differentiating between privateers and hirers) and they have 125 miles of waterways in which to play. A sober group departing Hoveton could end up as a drunken, antisocial group...where? Well, just about anywhere. Very difficult, nay impossible, to target resources to deal with that type of situation - until after the event. No amout of regulation will change that.

When you add the existing reluctance of the Broads No-Authority to take firm action, other than to wave a paddle and tick a box, these are all just fine words, with no substance.

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Jan-18-2022 @ 11:49 PM                           Permalink
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"It said: "A study for the Broads National Park found that of 623 local children asked, only two knew that a broad was in any way associated with water."

What has that got to do with anti-social behaviour?"

Nothing much, but is it not worrying that kids growing up within the Broads area don't even recognise what they are?

So much for the 'National Park' publicity machine!

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Jan-18-2022 @ 11:58 PM                           Permalink
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Effectively the Broads could have its very own private police force, wonderful! Rangers to be issued with body armour.

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“… regularly disorder, at particular times. Very easy to target resources in those cases”

Predictive crime-mapping and predictive policing is being marketed by the software companies with its main selling features a reduction in policing costs and increased “efficiency”; some police forces are trying to avoid licensing costs by developing their own predictive databases. The problem is, though, that it becomes by definition a self-fulfilling prophecy, fifty officers in the Prince of Wales “hot-spot” are obviously gonna make more arrests than one local bobby covering a large area. And just a few steps from using AI to justify targeting areas, to targeting groups, to targeting individuals.

An interesting ethical discussion topic, not for a Broads Forum, though…

Peter

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LB that occurred to me too! I was astonished.

But then taking your little sorry about the traffic survey into account , it could easily be not quite what it seems. How "local " to the Broads were they? How old were they? ...

Who knows ! Lol

Karen

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Indeed! That is the problem with statistics; you can manipulate them to say whatever you want!
Maybe they sampled a nursery school West of Kings Lynn!  Smile

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