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Yesterday I watched the Nav Comm meeting on line, and learned something new. Something that was stated very clearly by Bill Housden, Collector of Tolls. And it was suggested by Mike Barnes that this should be publicised more, as a deterrent.

So, for those of you who didn't know, and I suspect that's quite a few ( but then I may be wrong and it's just me  Gasp  ) , it is actually a criminal offence to not pay your toll. So anyone taken to court, successfully, by the BA, will have a criminal record as a result. Mike Barnes made particular reference to the consequences of how this can effect many aspects of life for an individual and that would/could/should be used as a deterrent.  

Interesting.

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As was the statement that it tends to be the same boat owners who need to be chased year on year to pay up!

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Offences against ANY of the byelaws, Navigation, Speed Limit, Vessel Registration and Vessel Dimensions, are summary offences, triable in a Magistrates’ Court. Such a conviction must be disclosed to a potential employer, college, university etc., but only if asked. It must be declared if applying for a visa to visit the USA. The maximum penalty on conviction is £1,000 (imprisonment is not an option).

So these, while they are minor offences, could have a impact in later life, although I suspect they would be regarded as somewhere below a minor road traffic offence on the scale of gravity.

However, to say that anyone would end up with a criminal record under such circumstances is totally wrong. Only those offences specified in the National Police Records (Recordable Offences) Regulations 2000 contribute towards a criminal record kept by the police and Broads No-Authority byelaw contraventions don’t appear in that legislation.



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Palladine - Thanks for that information.
Could you clarify the position  that if one has a conciction, for one of these offences, and is asked if one has a criminl record can they reply be No.
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oldster, the answer isn't a simple 'Yes' or 'No'. It would all depend on the particular situation and the nature of the question. For example, I understand that, to  get a visa to travel to the USA, all convictions, no matter how minor, must be declared, but their existence wouldn't necessarily be a bar to a visa being issued. An employer might ask for disclosure of any criminal convictions, such as would be revealed by criminal record check.

If this is something that is particularly important, or relevant, to you, I suggest a good place to start would be here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/telling-people-about-your-criminal-record

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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When applying for a mortgage or insurance you may be asked if you have a criminal record. If you have and you state no you are then committing fraud.
Would a mortgage or loan company be happy to loan you their money when you have a conviction for non payment?

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When applying for credit and insurance you are usually not asked if you have a criminal record. You are more likely to be asked if you have been refused credit or insurance because of fraud.

You can incur a “record” for fraud without it being taken to a criminal court. For example if you failed to give an address at which you have poor credit records this may be recorded with CIFAS.

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All offences have to be declared when applying for a shotgun certificate, even if you were fined 2/6 for riding your bike with no lights as a youngster. If you forget to put it on the form they will question you about not being honest.

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Interesting interview on Radio Norfolk with B A Ranger Tobi Radcliffe which touches on safety on the Broads.

Link is https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p093674p

Kirsteen Thorne - Science during lockdown - BBC Sounds and starts at 3 hours, 09 mins and 30 seconds in.



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Enjoyed listening to that interview, thanks for putting the link up. I usually have Radio Norfolk on during the day but missed that first time round.

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