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Yes indeed Pally, and one would hope the OP would be fully aware of that last point you've made, as he/she states they work for the police.

Thank you for reinforcing my point that as a forum , and whilst people may express a view, we should not be telling anyone definitively what they can do in this situation, and worse, encouraging anyone to break the law.

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Trying to be helpful ,
I suggest the best of many bad options may be  be for everyone to start the holiday but from Monday the people on the boat be limited to six or maybe more if they are from the same family and if it is  two families toss a coin to decide which has to go home early .

Be good to know the eventual outcome.

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...or one family starts the holiday and the other family finishes it. That way, both families get a share. Unpalatable, perhaps, but workable (and legal).

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Hi All,

Some posters seem to imply that BoatingHoliday booked the holiday with the intention of flouting the law. I'm sure it was booked in good faith on their part.
If the boatyard cannot meet the customer half way and reach some kind of accord, paying £1500 for three days
is out of the question. As it seems the boatyards are all sold out 'til October there are a lot of people who will be looking for refunds.

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But the second family wouldn't get a yard handover so not ideal from the yards point of view .

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RayT please can you direct me to where anyone has suggested the OP " booked" the holiday "with the intention of flouting the law" ? I can not see that anywhere.

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Hi Ray

The key point here is that they are starting before the law changes and therefore the refund issue is murky.

All those later holidays booked to start after the 14 th will not have the same confusion  
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An unintended consequence maybe it might  at least get the yards questioning whether building bigger boats all the time  is such a good idea. This would not have been a problem if all hire boats were limited to to six berths.

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Latest from BA on this update
https://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/news/coronavirus-covid-19

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So, the BA state (after repeating the rules as set out by the government):

"If you are a private boat owner who is planning to visit the area please ensure you follow the Government's new rules or you could face police fines.

If you are hiring a boat or other accommodation and believe your holiday will be affected by the new rules please contact your booking provider directly to make alternative arrangements or seek a refund/credit note.,

Err why is the first comment from the BA (when talking about how this affects the hire industry)  aimed at private owners and very directly  says "please ensure you follow the new rules or you could face fines" yet then moves on to hirers with the softer wording of "if you believe your holiday will be affected by the new rules please contact your booking provider.... " !!! I haven't had a message from my local authority to whom I pay council tax to remind me that if I don't follow the rules in my home or garden or I will face fines, but the BA feel it necessary to firstly and more directly address private owners before giving limp and loosely worded advice to holidaymakers! It's a simple rule, just as the prime minister said yesterday, and all the BA need to do is repeat that anyone breaking those rules on The Broads faces fines, and anyone on or taking a holiday from the 14th needs to speak to their holiday provider re refunds or changes, but must do as the rules require. C'mon BA stop being so lily livered and stand up for our governments rules and the fight against Covid from every angle !

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I think some common-sense should be applied at the very least in the absence of a firm ruling.  The OP's and others starting their holidays prior to Monday are in the worst possible position.

The issue with a delay in implementation of the change is those who start holidays in the interim are caught between a rock and a hard place.  No reason to cancel and breaking the law if you complete with the full party on board.  I'm not raising anything that hasn't already been said.

There will be some who have a few days left of their holiday by Monday and legally they will be required to split up on Monday.  If there had been no notice for implementation then it could well be today you are fine but tomorrow you must stop your holiday.

I did see some reference to if we had stuck by the rules we wouldn't be in this position.  Whilst I agree with that statement I think it is harsh to relate it to two families on a boat.  

In my opinion the circumstances which have led to where we are now are more to do with youngsters going about their normal social activities and disregarding rules mainly in pubs and in particular late night / early morning bars.  In my day we called these night clubs so I'm not sure why they were allowed to open in the first place.

One of my nieces tested positive about a week ago and her father, a copper, was berating behaviour in bars saying they should be shut down.  I think the closer you get to the bright lights the more prevalent the lack of social distancing in bars although I did see the guidelines being ignored on our trip to the Broads recently in a small number of places.  I witnessed a group of youngsters (under 25) arriving at a Broads pub at the end of a day out elsewhere, so not the first pub visited.  There was around ten in the group.  This has been happening across the UK

All in all I think the impact on boating holidays is scandalous and unnecessary.  If there are parties booked in with say ten people from a number of different households then they should not have been allowed and I have no sympathy there.  My heart goes out to the families losing their holidays now

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