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Hi All,

With the new 6 person rule in place from Monday, we will be on a hire boat and a few days into our holiday with more than 6 people from two households.

Aside from the Police potentially issuing £100 fines, do the broads authority have the authority to remove people from hire boats forcibly?

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Absolutely not.

BUT your hire company does have the authority and obligation not to let more than six people onto one of their boats .

I suspect that should be your first port of call to find out what they are planning to do.

Graham

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Who knows what the situation will be by Monday! Another badly thought through plan.

The Broads Authority can of course call in the police to up hold the law and also ask why a boat yard is allowing a party of more than 6 on a boat.

I suspect that there will be more 'clarification' if / when the penny drops as this affects more than just boats. Eg. Large holiday cottages / homes.

I suggest you contact your boatyard.

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It may also be considered that if you are in breach of the criteria, the yards insurance may also be invalid.

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Rather than looking for information on who could enforce the rules , would it be too much to expect that anyone who finds themselves in a situation that falls foul of the new rules, simply does what those rules require? Regardless of the inconvenience? Just as we all had to do in March. It is what it is -  the "whole" situation has to be seen as exactly that, not in terms of individual impact. We've had to cancel a family event this summer , as I'm sure any others have too, with some monies lost as well. But we have to accept this.

Karen

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Karen

Well said.

Graham

Ps That's twice in a month I have agreed with you.  I don't know what the world is coming to.

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Hi Karen,

I agree, but as is anything, your blissfully simple response does not entirely cover the situation.

As we will be part way through a holiday, I was simply enquiring as to who had any insight on the authority for the broads.  I was made to believe the BA would be able to remove you from a boat and then would have then made efforts to speak to them directly about the situation - their website was not clear on this with only a generic (and a little outdated) guidance in relation to CV19.

As it will be a Police matter only by the sound of it, I will speak to them directly.  I work for a Police force (not the N&S Constabulary) and so am looking to get some guidance on how it will be handled by the LEA.

Clearly the boatyard do not wish to issue a refund, but at the same time we technically can start our holiday but may not be compliant after Monday.  

I spoke to the boatyard late this evening and their response was less than helpful - that as far as they were concerned it was only guidance it was not enforced.  I advised that the PM had made a national broadcast saying it was law, but their response was the same - it was only guidance as far as they were concerned.  It was the boatyard that advised the BA would be able to "kick us off the boat" (quote) and hence my question.

The final point, there is £1500 in play as well for the holiday.  I do not wish to start a holiday (and therefore forfeiting any chance of a refund) only to be forcibly removed from said holiday 3 days into it and and loose the remainder c.£1000 pro rata.

I appreciate the responses so far and any guidance or advice anyone may have.

Thanks

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The way I read it the OP was saying they will already be on the boat on Monday and a few days into their holiday . . . which I presume would possibly be a Friday start, so I would think it would be up to the OP to contact the boatyard.
I would assume that the boatyard would have to refuse to allow them have the boat.

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The “rule of six” allows for larger household  bubbles but states they have to be from one household , if you are already aboard , ie your vacation has started before the deadline then you in effect have formed a new household bubble aboard prior to the legislation being in place so will not be breaking the new law .

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Thanks for the clarification. I suspect you have a situation not specifically covered by the new laws .

My original point stands in that the BA have no powers in this respect unless they have been given then very recently.

Common sense says if you are already  on the boat  you are one household but since when has common sense applied.

A helpful yard would have allowed you to defer but it does not seem you have one of those.

I suggest your best option is to start your holiday and enjoy it for as long as you are able. Cancelling it would be seen by the yard as your choice and you would be unlikely to get a refund .

Hope you manage to enjoy yourselves

Graham

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