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batrabill
Sep-20-2018 @ 12:18 PM                           Permalink
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The buildings at Martham Ferry have a Covenant which restricts them to Holidasy use. They cannot be sole residence. But I can see what relevance they have here??

There is no alternative plan for this site. Its derelict or development


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Bit more update
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/environment/footbapth-bid-of-marina-quays-development-plan-1-5722105

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Oct-05-2018 @ 10:33 AM                           Permalink
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The public meeting last night was hugely supported by local people. BA's planning department were in attendance along with both the developer and the 'boat yard' developer.
On the positive side the feeling was that improvements were badly needed on this site, local people were keen to see this happen.  The existing proposals came under massive criticism on several fronts.  The existing footpath along the river front would be lost and there seemed to be some confusion over existing rights. The proposal to re-route the path, on the other side of the flood wall would see the loss of river views along the development.  The concept of having  three storey houses on stilts at the southern end was deemed inappropriate (10 Meter hight) and probably difficult to achieve due to the nature of the ground, which was known to be unstable.  The plan at the northern end now seemed to now consist of fixed 'house boats' with adjacent moorings, when pressed about security it was stated there would be no fence around the development.  As the area already has a big problem with anti-social behaviour, it seemed unlikely that some kind of fencing would not be needed. Again that would seriously detract from the adjoining park. Access to the site was another mote point and again there seemed to be some confusion from the developer as to previous proposals to route the access via River Walk, the plan now being to improve the existing access of which the highways authority had concerns. There was some fury over notices having been placed along the site, indicating no entry and the fact that recent dredging had blocked safe access to the path at the Northern end. The BA seems to be unaware that this had been done.



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Oct-05-2018 @ 10:59 PM                           Permalink
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I really hope this doesn't get thrown into the long grass because of footpath issues.

The site Is a dump and will remain so unless someone Is allowed to invest  and I cannot see a queue of money men waiting to get their hands on the plot.

Do people really prefer to have it remain as it Is so that they can walk along the  derelict rriver bank for a few yards

As far as I am aware there are no other offers on the table so it Is this one or leave it as it Is.

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Oct-06-2018 @ 10:23 AM                           Permalink
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As already stated local people are keen to see improvements to the site. My own opinion is that the GYBC should never have sold the land, it's close connection to the Park is clear. It is also not just a matter of a footpath change. The local people showed a passionate interest and knowledge of the site, going back many years. The site having been sold has seen it going into further dereliction and the BA had already placed a demolition order on the buildings.  People were surprised that the 'boatyard' part of the operation consisted of 'houseboats'  The nature of which was unclear. Were they to be holiday or residential?  Part of the original building was apparently to be rebuilt, despite the fact that the foundations have already subsided. Planning permission for land adjacent to this site has, in the past, been refused on the grounds that it lies within a zone 3 flood zone, yet building  three storey houses on stilts to overcome this will go against the GYBC's plans that this is not within a housing development area.  
It's a complicated issue and not many at that meeting were convinced that the plans would improve the amenity and access to an important local area. Better plans and a greater understanding of what is being proposed should be the next step.




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I was also at the Public Meeting on Thursday.  I'm not a boatowner (yet!) but have lived in GY/Gorleston all my life and love Norfolk and the broads- not the 3 abreast stag party boat racing broads, but the tranquil broads with endless views, full of wildlife, and with fabulous sunsets over those open spaces.  Im assuming that they are some of the reasons that boatowners ARE boatowners?  The planned dual development of marina and housing will put paid to that at Marina Quays.  There seem to be a lot of questions on this site, and so I thought I would try and answer some.   6 houses on stilts are planned for the elevated riverside, and a further two 3 storey 10.5m high properties behind - in what was the garden of the old Bosuns Locker. (I remember the days when it WAS a Marina, and an eccentric american called Johnny Casenove had leased the site.  He was full of enthusiasm and plans, but unfortunately a little lacking in the skill and knowledge required, and the whole thing went belly up.) The properties are luxury riverside homes with private moorings - not for the likes of GY folk.  There IS an issue with footpaths because not only have developers stated that they WILL NOT ALLOW DEVIATION FROM THE PUBLIC HIGHWAY (that runs along the ditch at the rear of Bure Park) -  IE public will NOT be allowed to walk on the riverside, but instead kept to the public highway) but they also plan to open that same highway up to traffic and introducee carparking (presently pedestrian only), So no riverside walks for residents or visitors!  Some of the previous comments here have asked about facilities - well there will be none - apart from a reinstated pump out facility.  The cafe on the riverside will be demolished to make way for housing.  The toilet/showerblock will be demolished to make way for housing.  16 trees will be cut down to make way for carparking.  The single storey building on the riverside will be converted into storage for the planned 12 residential permanent moorings at the picturesque north end of the site.  There will be 8 private moorings for the new dwellings.  And that leaves a further 8 (or 9 - hard to tell as the plans are inaccurate and incomplete) for general moorings at the south end where moorings are already in a sorry state and under water at normal high tide.  So Im sorry to have to warn Billmaxted that even if he manages to find a space in the sparse number of moorings available to him, in the absence of ANY facilities, there will be no stew!! Cocklegat was right - this is ALL about the housing development!  With general moorings almost a bit of an afterthought.  Im all for rejuvenating the site, but  houses have no place in it.  The site is outside settlement boundaries, so residential development not allowed.  Just looking at the planning application documents, and the objections being raised by Environment Agency, the BAs own Landscape Architect, Highways, GYBC, shows what an illconceived, inappropriate plan it is.  The two development proposals of housing and marina should be considered separately, as they are in fact totally separate, with local company Everitt Marine Services owning the moorings north and south, and the Colchester housing developer owning the slab of land and moorings in the middle . Local objection to the development centres on the proposed houses that will change this protected landscape for ever, and on the complete loss of access to our riverside for all.   And also on a wish to see something APPROPRIATE happen with the site.  The Colchester developer applying for housing has already proposed 17 dwellings on the site, then 20 holiday pods. What next once the settlement boundary restriction is lifted? The other alternative is that he builds his houses, takes his profit and runs, leaving the marina in no better state than it is now.  He admitted at the meeting that permission for moorings alone would not be commercially viable.  However having houses built and then seeing him disappear with his profit will also not make the remaining site any more commercially viable as it will be left in the hands of the local boatyard owner who will presumably not benefit from the house sale proceeds!!  Either way I dont see the plans being beneficial for the marina, the area, Great Yarmouth, or even broads users. It seems lots of local people and even councillors have ideas for ways to use the site that enables it to remain accessible for all, not fenced off for a few and to make money for one developer.  As Cocklegat said - GYBC should never have sold off the site.  I was shocked to discover that they sold the freehold not just a lease. Given that the owners are already disregarding a Covenant in the Land Transfer that access points to Bure Park must remain unblocked(by erecting a fence blocking access to both the park and the public highway/riverside) the future doesnt look rosy if the housing development is agreed (well excepting for the Colchester developer!).  We aren't negative, we aren't nimbys, we care and want to achieve something good and lasting and beneficial.

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Serious question here. How much objection was there for
the houses at River Walk when the plans were put in?
They were obviously granted when the same issues
regarding flood zones etc. must have been considered.
The only difference that I can see is the public access
footpath if you disregard the moorings.
The 'Grot-on-the-landscape' needs sorting but if too
many objections are taken into consideration and the
developers pull out, then it will just stay like it is
and no-one else will even bother to try to improve the
site knowing the flak they will get. The footpath/public
access issue could possibly be sorted but at the end
of the day, it has to be built with a profit in mind for
the investors for them to purchase other sites elsewhere
to build on.
JMO.

The older I get...
The better I was....!!

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Oct-07-2018 @ 11:05 AM                           Permalink
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The existing houses along River Walk were built on the site of the old Bure Hotel and Smiths Crisps factory.  On this land they used deep piles.  These were built in the 1980's before more stringent regulations regarding flood zones came into existence.  The River Walk itself lies on the original line of a much older track, the continuation of which is the roadway along the Marina Keys land. This track existed at the time of the original OS maps in the 19th Cent, prior to any flood wall being built. There has always been a footpath along the river leading to West Caister and beyond. The current modern flood wall was constructed in the 1980's.  The land on which Bure park is built was allotment land with the council tip being where the Pitch & Putt now is.  After WW2 the council had plans to erect council houses where the present proposals for planning permission is sort.  At that time the land here was found to be too difficult and unstable to build on. The Park itself was developed with much support from the local community as being the only such facility in North Yarmouth.  The land across Bure Park sits on the ancient channel that was the North Entrance to Yarmouth Haven, known as Grubbs Haven.  The original Cross (An ancient monument)  sits on a side road on the opposite side of the main Caister Road, this section of which lies on the original ancient causeway that joined the town to the mainland. The cultural heritage of this area is very important to local people, many of such families going back generations. The fact that the Marina site is now such an eyesore is much to the dismay of everyone, but given it's sensitive nature, and the fact that the BA have a duty to protect such areas for there unique features and local importance, we do not want to see a plan that simply gives profit to developers and leaves us with the same old problem down the line.  

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Oct-07-2018 @ 12:35 PM                           Permalink
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Regarding the developers pulling out - there are TWO completely independant developers here - Ian Newman of East Anglian Property Ltd from Colchester who wants to build 8 luxury homes, and Everitt Marine Services who want to develop the marina.  The two projects are completely separate.  Agreement to the housing development would not therefore affect the commercial viability of the marina.  Its either viable or it isnt.  Giving in to a greedy developer and sacrificing a piece of the broads to his profit ambitions will not change its fortunes.  And as far as the public footpath is concerned, it has been used for decades, and all throughout the times when a marina has been in operation at the site, without restriction and with no ill-effects.  In fact there was good interaction between the footpath users and the people aboard the boats, so the footpath was a very positive and beneficial element, and must be protected for that reason and many many more.  And given that the only services to be provided are those of a pump-out, and limited mooring spaces, I do fear that Marina Quays will be used for nothing but the discharge of sewerage.  And given that the present local sewerage system is inadequate, that raises a whole new lot of concerns!!It seems a lot of people would be interested in short and long term moorings (not permanent residential moorings) there and it would be awful to sacrifice such a beautiful spot with potential in the right hands.



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