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Well said Cockly

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if it is to be it is up to me.

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Was the decision not to have pontoons based on cost or because the B.A. foresaw navigation issues?

I hope not the latter because I have for years argued that at G.gt. Yarmouth there should for long have been properly fendered pontoons.  They would not have to be that wide although arrangements would have to be cut in for steps.

Were you to have the same for visitors I reckon even with higher than normal berthing charges you would have a lot of takers all year round.

It would be interesting to know of your plans.  What sort of catering for example?  I pleasant cafe maybe doing all day stews would be a big draw for those coming across Breydon.

As someone on the Southern rivers, I do of course, have a vested interest because certainly the facilities at Yarmouth do inhibit the less experienced to make the crossing  

Bill...(The Ancient Mardler)

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Well I  wonder who is paying for the remedial work to the quay headings?
I would hope that the land owners/developers are paying...............I would hope that, but is that really the case? or is it a cost to the BA?  I have no idea but do find it strange that developers could think they could build in such a high risk area. It's one of the lowest parts of GY and adjoining property has had to be evacuated twice in the last 20 years due to storm surges. It would be good to see it developed but it needs far better consideration and planning. Yarmouth has a shortage of quality building and Newtown is one of the few areas were there is a good mix of larger homes.
The homes built on the old Smith's Crisp factory (next to Marina Quays) were built on piles and have raised ground floors, they also sit on the other side of the wall.  There is room, for a couple more, yet I feel that to make the project profitable the developers have added the additional, smaller house along the narrow strip, that IMHO is 'poor' development.



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Can I respectfully suggest that people who are interested read the planning documents fully before making possibly detrimental comments here.

This looks like a good well thought out plan for a very neglected piece of land. I'm sure there are some major hurdles to overcome but speculation and inaccurate supposition will not help anyone.

With regards the quay heading, the land was, maybe still is, owned by Great Yarmouth council. The planning application is being made by East Anglian Marine Leisure LLP. I assume EAML are in the process of, or have purchased the land from Great Yarmouth Council. It is possible to submit a planning application prior to purchase to see what may be permitted. There is no reason for The BA to spend any money on remedial work on the quay heading. That responsibility lies either with the land owner, or The Environment Agency if it is part of the flood defence.

With regards to the comment that the adjoining Bure Park will lose all of its river views, have you studied the plan? The 8 houses will be clustered around an area between the old toilet block and the existing marina building. There is NO houses being proposed on the stretch up river from the marina building. That is the area where the 12 residential moorings and 1 BA mooring will be. The view will be no more, or less restricted than when the marina was used as a hire base and boats used to be moored there. That is roughly 260 metres of unrestricted views from the Bure park

With regards to the flood wall and the properties being the wrong side. I can see that being an issue that needs to be overcome, but again as far as I can work out, it is six of the proposed properties with two of them being the right side of the flood wall. Although six of the properties are the wrong side of the flood wall, if built high enough and close to the existing flood wall, then surely access could be provided from the right side of the flood defence wall, straight into the properties, meaning that even if the riverside walk were to flood there would still be a route out of the properties directly over the flood wall.

With regards to the profitability of the project it is worth noting that this is a joint development project between EAML and EMS, with EAML mainly focused on the 8 dwellings and EMS mainly focused on the riverside facilities. Again there is a clarifying document on the planning portal.

In all the documents I have read so far public access to the riverside walk is being maintained.

I have no vested interest in the above development, other than as an interested observer who would dearly like to see this area improved and the moorings returned to active use. Please take the time to read the documents fully before commenting negatively.

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Well said. Find it difficult to criticise any attempt to improve a neglected eyesore which not only provides moorings but other facilities for river users.

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Well said Keith, in fact if the river over flowed the flood wall they could well be the only dry houses in that part of Yarmouth. The development will be a great improvement to that stretch of river, there is plenty of width should they decide to provide pontoons, and as a bonus there is a petrol at the back on the road, for those that require it. John

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From what I have read and 'from the horses mouth' so to speak, it is all positive and something that we will all benefit from in the long run.  

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Keith
About 5 years ago an offshore fabrication company brought the complete site from GYBC. They then obtained planning permission to change the old Bosuns Locker premises into an office complex. The rest of the site they then sold onto East Anglian Group.
Since then they have been working to bring forward development of the site. At first they were looking to sell off individual mooring plots for the entire 750 Metres. They have since now moved on to the proposed application.
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I am all for the development of the site and despite the comments here still feel the present design would be detrimental to the park. Another aspect is that at present there is public access across the proposal.  The riverside footpath through from Tarworks Road and along to the Marina connects to the path running along the north side of the Bure.  While it might be possible to reroute this behind the flood wall, it would be a great shame to lose Any connection that makes it possible to walk from the mouth of the Bure all along to west Caister and beyond. This is something that the BA needs to consider, after all, it is them that are the custodian of our landscape and  supposedly committed to it's duties as a (not) National Park, rather than to allow inappropriate urban development.
All that said, a much more expensive scheme where full account of all these precious assets could still be possible.  This part of Yarmouth mainly needs more facilities, particular for young people, rather than simply easy to sell houses. One reason the Marina and Park have become derelict is the way bored and delinquent youth have abused it.  At one point we had a plan for a youth club on the site and in more recent times the 'Water, Mills, & Marshes' project is supposedly looking to encourage local young people to engage in the Broads, Bure Park, being specified as an 'Urban Hub Park' (whatever that is) That project also looks to improve the network of paths and cycle routes, Something that could be at risk here.

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On the proposal it states Pedestrian access will be kept.
The only part of the site that you can see from Bure park is the top of the concrete flood defense wall.
Where the properties are proposed from Bure park all you can see is trees within the park.
That was on Friday when I walked the dog.
Colin

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