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Just a few weeks ago there was a comment as to how quiet it was on the forum - this actually changed in a few days with the ebb and flow of members time commitment and "news" After a few checks and calculations it became clear that a post especially a new one could attract 100 hits in 12 hours - not bad going and it was just a couple of spot checks.
Broads wise I post exclusively on here though do look in on other forums one of which seems to have faded of late as do one or two sub forums on Facebook all have their ups and downs.Maybe its my training over the years but I do try to think of the forum like a chat in a pub (I remember those days) One says different things to different people depending on how they take comments so I take particular trouble not to offend and avoid the use of names as many who use nicknames could well be talking to a neighbour or employer etc.
I hope the originator of this thread will give us a chance over the coming weeks and even take the opportunity of cheering Richard up through his recovery (and even maybe contributing to the forum finances)
Enough said I think, other than to say I am aware of BA taking more interest in Stag and Hen parties this season

Peter

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MikeParky said, ”The folks here slating me have taught me why,in another posters words,"why haven't I registered here before if I've been coming to the Broads so long". Even the people slating me have taught me something good here. Maybe obscurity beckons again and I should keep my head below the trench rather than finally sticking it up to tell others about my problems,shame the company hiring and ask questions to gain understanding!”

I think the issue with your OP is not that you told us about the problem you experienced, but that you used it to take a considerable swipe at a ranger who was simply doing his job. The rangers are not permitted (by their boss) to enter into forums discussions, so it is unsurprising that members rather leapt to the defence.

Questions are welcomed here, as anyone who reads the forum will well know. You have approached this from what you acknowledge is a position of some ignorance about the Ranger/BroadsBeat system and you might have had a better response had your OP been worded differently.

I still wonder why you didn’t report it to the ranger who came and gave your boat a close look.

Why do you think ‘naming and shaming’ the hire company will do any good? As long as they get their boats back in one piece, they couldn't care less. Several hire companies will hire to same-sex groups, particularly day-boats. It’s business, after all. Even mixed groups can behave in a disorderly way. The company has little, or no, control over the behaviour of the hirers, once they have left the yard, so why should they feel ‘shamed’?

Regarding reporting the incidents, if there were, say, 5 people on each boat:

1. Do you have any corroboration of your allegations? For example, another witness or photographic evidence.

2. Did you note the registration numbers of the vessels?

3. Would you, and any other witness, be prepared to attend court and give evidence?

4. Would you be able to identify, positively, the person hanging over the back, and the helms of the speeding boats?

If the answer to any of these questions is ‘No’, there is little point in reporting the incidents to the BA or to Broads Beat at a later date, other than for information purposes. Without such evidence, they can do nothing but make a note of the complaints. Had you either reported it to the ranger, or to Broads Control or Broads Beat, as soon as practicable, while those boats were still in use, a message would have been sent out by radio, and the miscreants may well have been spotted.



"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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May-21-2018 @ 11:21 AM                           Permalink
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Mike,

While forums such as this are very informative and helpful, they all have downsides.  Sometimes people construe posts in different ways.
My own view is not to take things too seriously and not take offence.
At the end of the day boating and the Broads wider environment is there for us all to enjoy. So get out there and enjoy!

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OUYA Pally you are beginning to sound like Roya intended or what?

Mike, nothing in your posts offends me and I have seen quite a lot over, coming up to 9000 postings here.  I accept that you don't know that a number of Rangers are good friends of this forum, who in the good old days were able to contribute, but not now.  So just accept that they at least are on our side.  Keep posting, you make fair points but then we are do that and still upset someone.    Cool Indifference

Bill...(The Ancient Mardler)

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Sound like Roya? I wouldn't be so presumptuous   Smile

All I have tried to do is give, for general information, an indication of what may be required for an 'after-the-event' complaint to be effective, and why it is best to report incidents at the time, or as soon as practicable.

BA River Control can be contacted on 01603 756056, or VHF channel 12, or by email Broads.control@broads-authority.gov.uk. Broads Beat can be contacted via 101 (ask for Broads Beat), or email broadsbeat@norfolk.pnn.police.uk. Broads Beat is simply a section of Norfolk Police, dedicated to the Broads. If they are not available, other police officers may be allocated, if appropriate.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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Yes they can be contacted but only during office hours.  Then you either wait until the morning or if it is an emergency dial 999 and ask for the Coast Guard.

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Well it would appear that to meet the requirements of a complaint listed above would be difficult to meet but more so while on the river in a dangerous situation. When I learned to fly I was taught that priority number one was to fly the aircraft so I apply that rule to sailing. There was no way I could gather required info for a police complaint to have any effect so it would appear the best I could do was to ring Barnes brinkcraft to tell them what happened which is strange as I seemed to get berated for not calling Broadsbeat yet now seems I would be wasting their  time without all the info. The lady on the phone was very apologetic and promised to speak to the group so hopefully someone did.
I did not wish to offend any rangers. I have acknowledged they do a good job. It just frustrates me and probably them too that they are having to chase revenue when there skills are so much more needed elsewhere while tax collection could be done easier by land based patrols. I admit I could have worded my posts better but then someone else would still be offended by those mannerisms but I think I see some people would always take offence!
I am so glad the last two days have been a lot better and am looking forward to my return in June,July and September.
Thank you all.

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"When I learned to fly I was taught that priority number one was to fly the aircraft so I apply that rule to sailing."

There is a difference, though. If you stop flying a plane, it will crash. If you stop sailing a boat (i.e. let go of the sheets), the boat will just round up, head-to-wind, and stop in the water   Smile

When you consider the subject matter of your complaints, they amount to criminal offences, to which the normal rules of evidence, and the degree of proof required, apply.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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