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MikeParky
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Hi, My name is Mike Parkinson. My family has been coming to the Broads for three or four time a year for at least twelve years.
I thought I had seen it all until yesterday, the first day of our sailing long weekend based in Horning.
Within ten minutes of setting off for Salhouse I was cut up by two flat out day boats from Barnes brinkcraft full of stag do lads dressed as sailors. One of them was hanging off the back defacating in the water.There was my wife and two other boats with young families to witness this. I reported it to Barnes brinkcraft.
Later that day while moored at our accommodation the boats returned flat out in formation like a pair of fighter jets. The wake knocked the stuffing out of various moored boats along the riverside.
Meanwhile the Broads authority were very close by but totally clueless as they were leapfrogging from private dyke to private dyke and boatyards along the river. They slowed to check my toll sticker as they went past so they gave a thumbs up and left me be.
Two questions arise from this yesterday!
1. Who is policing the river if the BA are snaking around in boatyards and dykes looking for unpaid revenue?
2. If this was a public road the police would have no authority to trespass on private land to look at untaxed vehicles so do they have a right to enter private dykes and boatyards hopping along the river to do the checks. Is this classed as off the river so what access rights do they have?
3 I just thought of another, Following on from two, Does that mean any of us can enter private areas without if the BA can? Who actually owns the water over a landowners boundary?

I'm sure they would have a different reason to be doing what they were like 'informing boat owners of thefts locally'or something like that but given they consciously slowed to check my toll and acknowledged with a thumbs up and a point to the sticker I do cynically wonder.


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Hi Mike,
In the circumstances you describe the best action would have been to phone Broads Beat and not the boatyard. Broads Beat are the only ones on The Broads who have real teeth to deal with such appalling antics.
I think their number is 0845 456 4567

Chris.

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Hi Mike ,
Welcome to the forum , you'd been better of reporting this incident to either the BA or broads beat even try capture a photo from a mobile phone ,
With the BA looking around boatyards , private dykes etc , this started happening good few years back with a change in the ruling , I know a few boatyard owners and they wasn't happy about the BA snooping about looking, someone will give more info about this ,

steve and vicky
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Why didn't you call over the Ranger and report to him what you had seen, if he was looking at you already it would have been very easy thing to do.

Andy

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Mike, the many problems created by Barne's dayboats are the stuff of legands so nothing new there. The Authority could be more proactive though.

Regarding the Authority checking tolls, it is one of their duties and it is only fair that we all pay our dues so a big thumbs up there.

As for access to adjacent waters the Broads Act allows it.

Jolly Rodger

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Hi Mike.

In answer to your question, provided the BA show evidence of their authority they do have the right to inspect vessels within the executive area.
I stand to be corrected but that includes access.  This comes under the various Broads Acts 1988-2009.  I'm sure there are better people here to explain the details.  
It seems increasingly common that we see bad behaviour, however it is certainly not a new phenomena,  As stated a call to the boys and girls of Broads Beat will be the way to go.

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Whilst River inspectors ( Yes, I know that’s not what they are called now! ) are getting as scarce as hen’s teeth  to find a ‘bobby in a boat’ is almost Mission Impossible.  Unless you had got a ‘car cam’ on your boat’s screen or very good CCTV at your mooring I suspect that there is in fact very little even the Police can do.

The only way I could ever see the problem being addressed would be for Boat Hirers to include in their terms and Condition a requirement to surrender the boat keys to any authorized officer on demand.  Such officers could include rangers and community support officers as well as constables.

Bye the bye welcome to the forum Mike, what took you so long L,O,L


Bill...(The Ancient Mardler)

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At least one yard at Potter down rated their day boat engines to prevent speeding last year which of course is fine in the quieter upper reaches where there is less tidal flow to contend with

Peter

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Hi Mike

Welcome but a bit confused.

I am pretty certain we don't have toll stickers any more so I don't know what they were looking for.

At this time of year I do know  the BA do amatching exercise of this years toll payments against last years and check out the discrepancies. Only common sense really.

If you report  speeding to a ranger or broads control they will investigate it  as a priority and drop the toll checks.

I would be more upset by the clear anti social behaviour and this Is really a police / broads beat matter.

Have fun

Graham



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I dont often post now but your original post so disgusted me I feel that you are indeed owed an apology.   For goodness sakes, what ever next are we going to see on the Broads.     I am sure if you had telephoned Broads Beat they would have been on to it immediately.      Try if possible to get the boats number , I doubt that is as easy with a day boat I am not sure about that one.    To have your family and friends witness such crude behaviour is beyond words.

Barns Brinkcraft -    make the people more responsible.   Supercharge them when hiring just in case they should happen to think of behaving in such a depraved way.     I bet their parents would be as disgusted to read this as I was.

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