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Sandford in action. Beware!

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Exile wrote, "Shall we move on? Or is it better to keep dragging up past documents and fighting lost battles?"

Had it not been for concerned people spending a great deal of time and effort lobbying against the Broads National Park Authority Bill, we would be enjoying the application of the Sandford Principle to the Broads today. The time to move on is, perhaps, when public confidence in the Broads Authority has been established. Not yet I think.

Read the thread about the BNP name being used in the BA planning process. Is that marketing?

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Here's a litmus test.

If you are on ONE side of the debate you will not be celebrating the fact that JP has explicitly and publicly stated (again) that his BA will not seek NP status and will not apply Sandford. You will be instead be discussing what happened a long time ago, what JP didn't say, and the semantic differences between Marketing and Promotion, and other angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin stuff.

(BTW paladine, my research says Promotion is a subset of Marketing, according to those who teach it as an academic subject. You get my drift?)

If you are on the OTHER side you have noticed that JP has specifically and publicly committed to not pursuing NP status, and not applying Sandford (again - because its been said before but, strangely that was almost completely ignored by the first group), and you are wondering what the hell the other lot are going on about when they seem to have won?

It's like those poor Japanese fellows who came out of the jungle 40 years after the war ended.




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"Had it not been for concerned people spending a great deal of time and effort lobbying against the Broads National Park Authority Bill, we would be enjoying the application of the Sandford Principle to the Broads today."

You may be right Paladine (although recent exchanges suggest that Sandford was not asked for. That was not my understanding / misunderstanding at the time). Either way that was a battle won and is now in the past.

" The time to move on is, perhaps, when public confidence in the Broads Authority has been established. Not yet I think. "

And never will be in some peoples minds. Most others either never had a problem with the BA or accept today's reality.

" Read the thread about the BNP name being used in the BA planning process. Is that marketing? "

No it certainly is not. That is a situation where only the real status can apply. That one is actually worth kicking up a fuss about.
In fairness to the BA though, it was not them that made the claim, but rather an external body. So it is them that need their wrists slapped and told not to do it again.
A gentle reminder to BA planners might be worth it too. Although for all we know they may have disregarded those comments anyway, knowing the reality. All sorts of spurious claims are made during planning applications, all over the country.
Obviously the statement will have been made in the "BA planning process" as that is only planning authority where it could apply.

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I think it speaks volumes that the OP hasn't replied as to why we should trust him and how I, along with many others, have it all wrong.



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There is surely very little point in th OP speaking further in this thread since whatever he says will be twisted up and spat back by the tiny but extremely vocal minority who persistently launch vitriolic and highly personal attacks on his integrity.  It is surely they who should be reminded of the TOS.

As to the competition; Countryfile designed the competition, Countryfile decide who is eligible to compete. End of story.  I’ve voted for the Broads National Park.

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So, back in 2015 when the BA voted to use the BNP tagline, it was on the proviso of "for marketing purposes only".

Conveniently, this has now been dropped.

I point to another of my posts recently.

Sandford isn't required to close the Broads.

Let's say it was in effect though.

1. A closure at the top of Barton.

2. A closure by Cockshoot

3. A closure just East of Brundall.

Job done, Sandford has effectively closed the Broads. Enjoy your boating, as long as you don't moor/want to visit those areas.

So, is it "for marketing purposes only" or has that now been dropped and we will, in the next couple of years, drop this "no ambition of being a fully fledged np" and Sandford is here to stay.

Still happy?

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On the subject of Sandford.
If it applied here it would effectively be the death knell for Broads boating. I think that most would agree with that.
Why then would the BA want it? The loss of revenue would be vast. Would government grants be found to plug that gap? I seriously doubt that level of grants would be forthcoming.
So maybe, just maybe it is very much in the BA's interest for things to stay as they are.

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It won't happen but if there were no boats then there would be no need for dredging etc.

Back into to my cage, I was genuinely looking forward to some answers from Dr Packman. Actually I'm not at all surprised by his absence but then he did make some pretty contentious statements. I'm really not sure what sort of a response he actually expected. Surely not unquestioning support. A fine exhibition of unseemly teddy chucking IMHO. TTFN.

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Exy, The largest items of expenditure other than salaries and pension are dredging, bank clearing and moorings rent and upkeep  and management. If there were no boats these costs would not be incurred.

BB “You will be instead be discussing what happened a long time ago, what JP didn't say, and the semantic differences between Marketing and Promotion, and other angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin stuff.”
BB the previous Broad Plan was current until the latter part of last year, that clearly stated the Authorities intention to work towards it’s goal of attaining full NP status so that isn’t long agao, I also believe(correct me if I’m wrong) that in the statement dropping it’s intentions to no longer seek full N.P. Status that promise was to not continue to seek Full NP status “for the period of the next Broads Plan” it did not rule it out forever. I have tried to find the exact statement but couldn’t but I’m sure someone (Pally?) who is far better at research then I, could put his hands on it.

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