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Waxham Cut, there is a member on here who’s boat is moored on there and they have been unable to get it out for the past 2 years. Several areas of Hickling where people are regularly grounding.

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With respect, I am not entirely sure Waxham Cut is the best example nor would it ever warrant a huge amount done to it, but even so I have seen boats go up and down this year so I suppose it depends on the boat. The same applies to Catfield although that is, I believe, due to be done over the next year or so if they can find somewhere to put the dredgings!

Hickling however is a totally different issue - to dredge Hickling completely would probably take the whole of the BA budget for the next 20 years! However as you well know, they have been dredging the channel for the last 2 winters and when it gets cold enough, they may be able to do more this winter. But be under no illusions, they will never dredge Hickling as was done at Barton nearly 20 years ago - the funding would simply not be available nor would the surrounding landowners give permission for dredgings to be pumped ashore as at Barton then. Most people I see grounding, do so well outside the channel although I do accept this year weed has been an issue in places around the outside as well! That is a totally different problem!

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I don’t disagree with you Marshy but the simple fact is we have had over a decade of above inflation Toll increases and a decrease in services and facilities while at the same time this wasteful authority have sqandered money on “trophy” projects such as Dragonfly house etc.
It is a very badly run organisation that would have gone belly up several years ago if it had been in the private sector. The CEO is very highly (some would say vastly overpaid) paid to manage a piddling budget that is not much higher than that of thousands of small buiness’s and the only way he can find to balance the books (every year) is to increase the Tolls. That is poor management in anyones books.

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Different point that - not much to argue with there!!! Smile

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Rather sums it all up this.
When asked what you actually want the BA to do differently there’s a bit of a tumbleweed moment. They have a headquarters! Horrors! John Packman gets a salary! Shocker ! Waxham cut is shallow! Partly because it is little used.
You can run aground in Hickling! Of course you can run aground on Hickling. I’ve done it about a 10 times in the last 3 years - but never in the channel. It’s a shallow lake which, as you MUST know is in the middle of a programme of dredging. So they are actually doing what you want.
Weed is a problem - because, as I understand it,  the water quality has improved. Disaster!




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You miss the point totally Bil, We have had at least 12 years of inflation plus tolls rises, in that time we have lost significant numbers of 24 hour moorings in popular spots only to be replaced by ones out in the wilds (to balance the books on paper) that are never used, the Navigation has not improved, the front line staff have not increased and the general facilities are no better than they were 12 years ago. That means that all the "excess" Tolls that have been collected have in no way benifitted those that pay them, instead the money has been frittered away on "vanity projects". Not good value for stakeholders! Lets not forget any increase in dredging was supposed to be self funding by taking it in house away from May Gurney.

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I don't think the dredging was "taken" away from May Gurney, more that they were going to close it!!! Fait accompli really for the BA unless it all went out to other private contractors which may have been better or may not!

They do sometimes use contractors but only when necessary.

Of course the BA could be improved but you name me a publicly funded body that operates as efficiently as you would like, and about which no one complains!!

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I will bow to your greater knowledge Marshy but my understanding ws that May Gurney was up for sale (and an attractive aquisation for some one because of the B.A. contract) and the B.A. made an offer to buy it, stating it was doing so as it would be cheaper for them to do it in house and more dredging work could/would be carried out.

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" but you name me a publicly funded body that operates as efficiently as you would like "

There is an awful lot that I could say on that one MM but cannot. Suffice to say that you are correct. Probably a lot more correct than most can imagine!

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On the subject of In - house or Contractors a surprising number of authorities are taking work back in house as they have woken up to the fact that contractors are often making considerable profit (yes some make a loss by under bidding to get the work and get taken over and a higher price being negotiated)the days of excessive dodgy practices like job and knock and union power (except RMT railway guards)have long gone & I suspect any current inefficiency equates closely to the 10% + profit expected by shareholders.Worth remembering also the elected Councillors in many authorities did nothing to get rid of bad practice especially in cities as most were trade unionists themselves and could not bring themselves to fight their brothers and sisters.Some of us will remember secondary picketing!!!  

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