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Well said Vetchugger

So true!

Why anybody would want to regularise such a valuable service escapes me. It's free to the community and the some people think tjey aught to pay Council tax??????

Hmmm! Methinks they have no idea of the value of these wonderful people!

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" The naysayers don't understand any more than the homophobes and mioginists, those who despise the upper class or those who dislike the lower or middle classes. That is the nature of the predudiced. They lack understanding."

A totally false (and actually insulting) comparison.
Homophobes and misogynists (along with racists etc, etc) are ignorant and small minded bigots.
Being female, having coloured skin, being gay or from one particular class or another is perfectly normal, legal and simply how thing are. So those that criticise anyone for merely being in one of those groups are clearly bigoted and unpleasant individuals.

Trying to portray liveaboards as a put upon minority is ridiculous.
I do not know of anyone that has any issues with Liveaboards that obey the same rules as the rest of us and pay the same dues as the rest of us.
Equally trying to portray as bigots, those that complain that SOME liveaboards, overstay at moorings, put mess on the banks, pay less, ignore rules etc is also ridiculous.

As far as I am aware pretty much all "general" boaters support more provision being allowed for residential boating. I certainly do. The BA should both allow it, and promote it to local boatyards.
But what many of us fear is the shambolic mess and tat that has been allowed to happen on other waterways. No one can deny that has happened.









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Insult? No! Drawn directly for the earliest of lectures provided for trainee Social Workers.

Thank you. That's an eye opening reply. The reason I say that is all about perception. The best of L.A.s will say that they FEEL as though they are being treated as one of those people-groups, without being recognised as such.

I will leave that there for now to sink in.





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Good thought TT, and I have L/B friends I spend time with almost every time I visit.....

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Quote..... "Insult No! Drawn directly for the earliest of lectures provided for trainee Social Workers"

And that makes it gospel does it!?

Harlequin/Exile ( welcome back exile by the way) makes very good points which I totally agree with.  It seems to me that these days the cry of discrimination is thrown up a regular basis in defence of certain peoples actions rather than addressing the points which other individuals make or challenges they raise.

I totally support everyone's right to make choices, in this case regarding their abode,  but I also support the rights of those who wish to challenge any aspects of this where they feel some are causing issues and avoiding paying dues etc.  We had a long running thread on this forum last year which  covered many aspects, raised concerns from various quarters and aired views from the different sides of the debate. Paladine for example has been a member very clear in his responses and the info he has repeated, yet still there are cries of discrimination, personal attacks etc.

Now, speaking as a mod, I do hope we can discuss this matter objectively and openly, to the benefit of all. No discrimation cards need to be played -we are a forum, for discussion of matters relating to the Broads, which we all have a connection to in one way or another.

Happy New Year all, Karen


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OK, if it's not reasonable to express my opinion that I am seeing discrimination, then clearly this is not the place to discuss my opinion.

I am well aware that the subject is contentious, but I had hoped it could be discussed. Clearly, the subject is too touchy for that.

I regret that my opinion has been read as accusatory. The thoughts and feelings behind it were certainly not intended as an attack on anybody.

There is something very curious about the words "so that makes it gospel does it?". Of course it doesn't, but it does offer credance to the suggestion. If it is the view of experts in the education of those working in the field, then I claim justification in sharing that opinion and not that I am alone, and therefore in a minority and probably wrong, that's all.

I am not looking for a row. All I am trying to do is to defend some lovely people who appear to me to ne struggling. I suppose having always lived on low income and not succeded in saving because however hard I have worked, there has never been anything to save, I have an unusual level of understanding of their position.

In this life there can sometimes be a presumption of 'won't pay', where the truth is that some people can't pay. Even in this day and age of minimum pay rates, there are millions in that position. I am sure that some L.A.s a are just doing their best not be a burdon and can find their motives mis-understood. When I say I am sure, I really am certain.

Sadly their attempts are often twarted at every turn by some (and I don't mean all) who don't get it. I was only trying to get some nice folk to try to think themselves into that position. I am very sad that all managed to do by explaing the truth as I see it, was to offend. That was the furthest from my intention.



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There is never going to be total agreement on this topic. Many years ago I knew of a chap that lived on his boat at a boatyard in Brundall.
It suited his needs at the time and the boatyard was happy to have him there as it was a comfort to have somebody about to keep an eye open for anything untoward.
One can see both sides of the argument here but hopefully in the end common sense will prevail.

Matrtin W.

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" OK, if it's not reasonable to express my opinion that I am seeing discrimination, "

It is perfectly reasonable for you to express that opinion.
It is also perfectly reasonable for others to give their opinion that you are wrong.
You see it as discrimination. Others see it as a group demanding special terms and conditions. T and Cs that the vast majority of us do not get.

I reiterate that I believe that the BA should make living aboard a whole deal easier. However IMO, they certainly should not allow the free for all that a some demand.  






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