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Of course I think the world is against me.... I'm one of the ones that get moved along and banned from certain broads.... I initially joined this web site to defend my self from the posts that were anti live aboard and anti me because no one knew my story. This web site appears very anti- live aboard and as one of those people who is one then any critisim aimed at the " live aboards" is there fore aimed at me. Judging by the amount of people questioning as to why quite a few people on this web site are ant liveaboard would kind of ( in my opinion) give weight to what I say! There are people on this web site who tar every live aboard with the same brush... They must do because on one hand they are complaining that there are live aboards in a marina and they shouldn't be allowed- but the only problems about them doing this is the people who are complaining about it... The boat yard doesn't have a problem with it nor does the BA. But should the boat yard put its foot down, due to the amount of complaints forcing the BA to do something about the liveaboards then those then displaced boats will have to become continuos cruisers which according to this site are also a problem. When I read the comments on this site, it appears to me, to be very anti liveaboard... So as one of those people/ families that are a permanent resident on their own boats it becomes an attack on me..... That's how I see it. I may be reading it wrong. However this is my final comment on the great "liveaboard" debate. I shall continue to post on technical questions if I feel I can assist but this topic I shall steer clear of.... I'm obviously a little too naive to be able to put an argument across in a manner that is understood by everyone. Any one who reads regularily on this site may or may not agree with me about the above comments....there are plenty of examples of the anti live aboard statements and other people have commented on them.... I'm not going to go through every post to cut and paste examples to back my self up.... They are there for all to see. But I will always remember that I joined this site because I, personally was mentioned in various posts under the title of " not right" so if this forum isn't anti live aboard why are there so many complaints/ posts about it's not right that people are living in boats in marinas or are continuos cruisers or just tied up on a Tresspass/ wild mooring? I can't see the problem, but then I am rather naive and can't understand what is wrong with living how I and many other people do. Happy new year!!!!!

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The ‘get out’ is in the last four word “so far as relevant”. Another thought is that continuous cruisers aren’t regarded as ‘travellers’.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Stick, I wonder why you choose to ignore the posts that are in support of liveaboards? My comments about those who live in marinas wasn’t to complain about them, it was to suggest it was about time that the BA regularised their situation and granted permission for more residential moorings.

But, as you prefer to think that everyone is against liveaboards in general, and you in particular, regardless of what people say to the contrary, I’ll let you get on with it.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks Stick has a point.
The worst problem with communities on forums is when “everyone” agrees.

Everyone agrees that Miles Weston is OK to take the p*** out of - so we all join in. Everyone agrees that Rickh is a bit aggressive..... oh OK I agree with that one.

I agree with him that the tone here is generally anti-liveaboard - so not surprising people take offence.

Bill

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Here' another one on you side sick. I spent 20 yrs as a workong canal boatman. Most of my friends were liveaboards. I defended them then and I defend you and other livaboards now.

It's your home! Enjoy, be prod of it and try not to be hurt. I know how hard that is and easy to say. The naysayers don't understand any more than the homophobes and mioginists, those who despise the upper class or those who dislike the lower or middle classes. That is the nature of the predudiced. They lack understanding.

The odd thing is that I really think they truly believe they are right. Sorry to say.

Well done to those in support. Try seeing it from the other side (imagine youself in the shoes of others) to those who feel worry about liveaboards.

Lets all have a happy and tollerant new year.

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It would be interesting to know how many liveaboards would want or be able to afford a residential mooring if they become more plentiful. The ones living in a marina now would likely have to pay a premium even if they keep the same mooring now it's been reclassed as residential. Then there is council tax which even at band A will add a big extra cost to the yearly outlay.





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I'm thanking all, the people who have understood what I'm trying to get across however badly I'm phrasing it and I'm thanking you for the  support you are showing for other liveaboard persons. The annoying thing to me, is that I'm not trying to take this personally but I am thinking of the other liveaboards who may be evicted from their moorings in a marina because somone has brought their presence into the light of day. My problem is, from my point of view is that it " appears" from the posts on this web site that all live aboards shouldn't be allowed whether they are in a marina or not. That is how it appears to me and maybe to anyone else reading it. I have friends as far away as France who are reading it and they are all in agreement that there are certain individuals that are very anti liveaboard other wise why would they be rocking the boat by bringing to attention as often as possible that it is illegal to live in a boat in a marina that does not have permission for these " live aboard" people? It's only a problem if somone makes it a problem and as I've said before, why should the BA "need" to address this issue? No one is haveing a problem with these boats apart from a select few. I will say this again..... If the BA don't think it's a problem and the Marina in question don't think it's a problem then, what is the problem? The only problem they (and I ) see is the few undesirable boats that are out on the rivers in a dangerous condition that are un-tolled, insured or have a valid BSS..... Now surely they are the problem? Just my opinion. Right or wrong.... It's my opinion only... I'm not in a position to change views and I'm not forcing people to believe what I say. Despite my New Years resolution I seem to have been drawn to commenting on this great debate again! im going to post this.... The naive me that I am!



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I have to admit that I am in favour of live and let live. I agree that if a person wants to live under the radar, there is no reason to object to that.

Just because I pay Council Tax, and as a result have voting rights, get mail etc., doesn't mean I would force that on any ody else. For me , it's about choice and the ability to pay. Not for me to judge.

Be happy and let each live their lives as they feel happy and cause no DIRECT harm to others. By that I don't mean imaginary harm, penalised JUST IN CASE someone feels agrieved on some kind of vague principle.



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Stick, you might like to read through  this document .

The Broads Authority is actively reviewing the need for residential moorings, within boatyards and marinas, but it appears that very few boatyard owners are interested.

The document also shows that the BA is well aware of those who are living in boatyards, and don’t need any information from me about them, so I am doing them no harm by mentioning them. This is clear from the comment on page 20 of the document:

”The Authority also suggested, in the same letter, that those marinas or boatyards that do have people living on boats within them may wish to formalise this through the planning system. The Authority received one query with regards to information on how to receive planning permission for residential moorings in a boatyard.“

Also, the Broads Authority’s Development Plan 25 (see page 47) refers to the policy regarding the provision of new residential moorings. At paragraph 5.49, it says ”For the purposes of this policy, a residential mooring is one where someone lives aboard a vessel (which is capable of navigation), that the vessel is used as the main residence and where that vessel is moored in one location for more than 28 days in a year. The vessel may occasionally/periodically go cruising and return to base.  

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Stick,
I'm not normally one to get involved in such a "lively" discussion but I totally agree with your statement:
"....boats that are out on the rivers in a dangerous condition that are un-tolled, insured or have a valid BSS..... Now surely they are the problem?"
However, please understand that livaboards moored illegally in marinas cannot be paying council tax and the marina is breaking the law by permitting the boat owner to do so as he does not have the appropiate planning permission (and cannot get it). This is the situation that the BA needs to sort out. We're not talking about evicting the boats and fining the boat owner and the marina, although that is quite possible, I believe.
We need the BA to licence more permanent moorings for livaboards to use. This will then permit the collection of Council Tax. As it stands, these boat owners are able to use council-funded facilities & services  without paying a penny towards them. Most boat owners have a permanent residence and therefore pay Council Tax (as do legally moored liveaboards), but livaboards illegally moored do not. So is it any wonder that livaboards on illegal moorings are seen as freeloaders by the majority of other boaters? Naturally, this leads to a degree of resentment from other boat users.

Andy

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