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Having a quick glance through it I'm surprised that the B.A. Went to such lengths over  Jenners Basin, point 22,8 on page 30 which sets out criteria for passing an application for new residential moorings describes pretty much to a T Jenners, with a little work that site could easily have met all the criteria therein mentioned.

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daz3210, I'll let others make up their own minds about the report and whether the BA is living in the same world as the rest of us. It sounds as if you have found nothing wrong with the report.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Regardless of the content of the report (and I aint got time to read 147 pages in great detail), surely if there is a situation (such as folks wanting to live aboard) the BA need to consider this, and act accordingly.

The situation at Jenners was mentioned above, and teh part highlighted in that regard does indeed seem to bear some resemblance with Jenners, the only problem being that there was a restrictive covenant and an uncooperative landowner involved.

Surely the BA are quite correct if they wish liveaboards to do so in the manner detailed in the report i.e. out of the way and without undue consequence to other local residents.


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Thanks for the link Paladine.

Daz there are 2 worlds the one where officialdom lives and the real one where the rest of us live

I am sure many will confirm that there are a number of residential boaters below the radar where because of planning issues neither they or the marina owners where they reside will admit to their existence, none the less they are in the whole decent people whos presence is appreciated by other berth holders, official figures rarely represent the true picture.

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Ditto. Thanks for the link Paladin. The report was produced for various councils and authority's not just the BA. I'm sure the BA will give very little time to discussing the content as most will be outside 'their' area. Unfortunately the estimate for residential moorings appears to be pure guess work and probably provided by the BA ( no mention of the residential boats with planning permission in Wroxham).  It will be interesting to hear their comments as to the provision of 60 plus residential moorings in the future. If your face fits I'm sure you will be able to ' legitimise' the moorings that most boatyards have which currently try to stay below the radar.
During the 2001 census we were asked not to mention we were resident as the the yard owner didn't have planning permission. This is why I see little value in the figures quoted in this report. Unfortunately those with the power will accept the report on face value as true and accurate( even the estimates).

I hope to attend the planning meeting if I can shake off this bl***y cough( no, I don't smoke ) and other engagements don't clash. I'm sure the words of Cally Smith and our CEO will be uplfting  Smile

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Can anybody please explain to me what causes the prejudice against liveaboards living in their own home?

Living aboard has been going on since navigation began and is all over the country. I see this dislike of it everywhere I go. I just can't work out the cause of it.

Yes, there are some undesirables living aboard, as there are in many streets of houses. But why the general hatred? It's obviously there, there's no point in denial.

Are people aware of the physiological and emotional  harm caused by this? Unless I can come to understand the reasoning, I can only see it a jealousy or some other evil.

I look forward to a balanced and rational explanation, not based on the notion of "if he can do it, why can't I" or "it's costing me money", when it isn't.



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GP1, could you please give some examples of this ‘prejudice’ and ‘general hatred’?

As far as members of this forum are concerned, I have seen no sign of it. What I think most people have an aversion to is those boaters, whether continual cruisers, or with a home base, or hirers, who fail to comply with the rules, speed, cause a nuisance, don’t pay their tolls, and/or leave a mess behind them.

There are a number of people who live mainly on their boats in boatyards, as well as those who take advantage of the free BA moorings, who draw no attention to themselves whatsoever.



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"Surely if there are folks who insist on living aboard the BA needs to consider how to deal with this?????"

I don't insist on living on my boat, I simply can't afford to live anywhere else plus I don't feel emotionally trapped while being free to move about, living in a fixed abode gives me deppression and my PTSD gets worse! Ok I know that statement is not aimed at me personally but is a sweeping statement aimed at all persons who's main domicile is their boat! Every time I see a statement like that I get the feeling that it's aimed at myself and others who simply can not afford to rent/buy a house or flat. We are all being tarred with the same brush, again, Norfolk seems to be only place that there is an active resentment/ hatred off ALL persons who reside on their boats for what ever reasons they do it. Why should the Broads Authority "need" to deal with it? If you don't pay your toll or insure your boat or have a boat safety done or you " live" on a trespass mooring and dump rubbish on it then the Broads authority " need" to deal with that. They don't "need" to deal with persons who are using their boat as their home. It's not illegal to do that, so why is it such a problem to some? Why do the Broads Authority "need" to deal with the
" liveaboards"?

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Stick, in my opinion, the BA ‘needs to deal with it’ in terms of all the permanent residents in marinas. The BA knows they are there, we all know they are there, but it is illegal for them to be there. Those that I know about cause no problems, and have access to electricity, water and sanitation. It’s about time steps were taken to allow a proportion of residential moorings in marinas. It may be that the Waveney River Centre is being used as an experiment, which, if successful, will be used as a model.

As regards the ‘liveaboards’ who take the p*ss, the BA knows who they are as well, and deal with them in their own sweet time.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Sticks response echoes my thoughts exactly:-

Why should the Broads Authority "need" to deal with it?

There is the perfect answer to the question.





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Who decided it is illegal to be residing in a boat in a marina? Surely if every marina didn't allow them to "live" there, then you will have the problem off even more boats travelling from 24hr mooring to 24 mooring? Why is it illegal to live in your boat at a marina? If the boat is paying for its mooring and is compliant with all the requirements to have a boat on the river in the first place, what is the problem? I have never seen it written down by the Broads Authority or any marina that it is illegal to live on your boat. Why would it be? If you come down to your boat at a weekend and sleep on her for two nights, technically you are living on her. If you stay on her for 6 months you may be an offshore worker and have six months off so you choose to have a 6 month holiday on your boat... Who decides what a live aboard is? Who decided it is illegal to do it? It's your boat. You pay the tolls and insure her and she is boat safety compliant.... That's all the Broads authority should worry about. If people are residing in their boats its up to the boat yard where they are to decide if they will allow that or not. I've spoken to a ranger on this, as far as the Broads Authority are concerned, if the vessel is compliant with their requirements they have no problem whether somone is on it for a week or a year. You people really need to think about what you are really complaining about..., are you annoyed that people can live on a boat and use her all year round or are you complaining about the people who don't pay their tolls or insure the boat or make sure it's safe and have a certificate to prove it? Which is the worst case scenario? Or are all persons who reside on their boats to be hated and driven off the rivers because it's not fair that they are allowed to live there? That's like saying that everyone that can afford to own their own house is fine but people who are renting theirs shouldn't be allowed to do that..... If you can afford a house AND a boat, we folk who can't afford a house should not be allowed to live in something we can afford? Next you'll be saying that little houses shouldn't be lived in because they don't pay as much insurance or council tax as people in big houses. You can not have a problem with someone who lives on his or her boat AND is compliant in all respects with what the Authority says you need to keep his or her vessel on the Broads or adjacent waterways. You can have a problem with vessels that are non compliant with any of the requirements of the Authority to keep their vessel on the waterways. Those people who are non compliant are a threat to all boats and all users of the waterways be they in a marina or out continuos cruising and if only because no one has any idea as to whether their gas systems are safe or if they are a fire or explosion hazard as they have no valid safety certification....



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