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Stick, in my opinion, the BA ‘needs to deal with it’ in terms of all the permanent residents in marinas. The BA knows they are there, we all know they are there, but it is illegal for them to be there. Those that I know about cause no problems, and have access to electricity, water and sanitation. It’s about time steps were taken to allow a proportion of residential moorings in marinas. It may be that the Waveney River Centre is being used as an experiment, which, if successful, will be used as a model.

As regards the ‘liveaboards’ who take the p*ss, the BA knows who they are as well, and deal with them in their own sweet time.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Sticks response echoes my thoughts exactly:-

Why should the Broads Authority "need" to deal with it?

There is the perfect answer to the question.





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Who decided it is illegal to be residing in a boat in a marina? Surely if every marina didn't allow them to "live" there, then you will have the problem off even more boats travelling from 24hr mooring to 24 mooring? Why is it illegal to live in your boat at a marina? If the boat is paying for its mooring and is compliant with all the requirements to have a boat on the river in the first place, what is the problem? I have never seen it written down by the Broads Authority or any marina that it is illegal to live on your boat. Why would it be? If you come down to your boat at a weekend and sleep on her for two nights, technically you are living on her. If you stay on her for 6 months you may be an offshore worker and have six months off so you choose to have a 6 month holiday on your boat... Who decides what a live aboard is? Who decided it is illegal to do it? It's your boat. You pay the tolls and insure her and she is boat safety compliant.... That's all the Broads authority should worry about. If people are residing in their boats its up to the boat yard where they are to decide if they will allow that or not. I've spoken to a ranger on this, as far as the Broads Authority are concerned, if the vessel is compliant with their requirements they have no problem whether somone is on it for a week or a year. You people really need to think about what you are really complaining about..., are you annoyed that people can live on a boat and use her all year round or are you complaining about the people who don't pay their tolls or insure the boat or make sure it's safe and have a certificate to prove it? Which is the worst case scenario? Or are all persons who reside on their boats to be hated and driven off the rivers because it's not fair that they are allowed to live there? That's like saying that everyone that can afford to own their own house is fine but people who are renting theirs shouldn't be allowed to do that..... If you can afford a house AND a boat, we folk who can't afford a house should not be allowed to live in something we can afford? Next you'll be saying that little houses shouldn't be lived in because they don't pay as much insurance or council tax as people in big houses. You can not have a problem with someone who lives on his or her boat AND is compliant in all respects with what the Authority says you need to keep his or her vessel on the Broads or adjacent waterways. You can have a problem with vessels that are non compliant with any of the requirements of the Authority to keep their vessel on the waterways. Those people who are non compliant are a threat to all boats and all users of the waterways be they in a marina or out continuos cruising and if only because no one has any idea as to whether their gas systems are safe or if they are a fire or explosion hazard as they have no valid safety certification....



Let the world flood! I live on a boat!

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The problem is the marinas are licensed like caravan site.  Most marinas are subject to a condition that no one should stay continuously on their boat for more than a certain number of days.  Probably 60 or similar.  If you went to a travelodge every 60 days you would be legal

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Stickman continue to live the dream, weather adrift on the rhonds or tucked up in a brona fide marina as others have said live aboards have always been there and don’t fear any legislative drive to perhaps drag you out onto the slipway, there isn’t the room!

The water world scenario looks increasingly likely, fields flooded I’ve driven past today, not a ditch as far as the eye can sea, Sutton, catfield, potter.

And don’t worry about ASBOats, I think the authorities have bigger pike to fry.

May I be the first or one of to wish all broadsmen whether landlubbers or waterborne, grockles or locafolks, a joyous 2018!

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There is no need whatsoever to "deal" with anyone living on a boat, they need to "deal" with people not paying tolls, not having bss, hogging time limited public moorings, leaving piles of crud on the bank of public moorings, this is all covered already in the byelaws and completely irrelevant to wether the person is "living" on the boat or just temporarily residing on their boat for a holiday or whatever.
The council need to "deal" with anyone living in their area not paying the council tax for which they receive services, some of which may be covered by mooring fees (that is down to the landowner of the mooring).
I have no reason to discriminate against anyone because they live on a boat, if they dodge tolls/bss/insurance or take the p*ss out of public moorings I will discriminate at leisure.
I think the broads need more moorings licenced for liveaboards but I guess most of the liveaboards with proper moorings are not the problem.


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Stick, this is simply a planning matter. If a vessel is moored in the same place for more than 28 days, planning approval is required. Until the WRC case, no marina has been given planning permission for residential moorings. This has got nothing whatsoever with your perceived prejudice against continuous cruisers.

As I said earlier, it is about time the BA revised its policy.

Having taken the time to read through your rant, I would make the following comments:

Why is it illegal to live in your boat at a marina?

Because planning consent is required, and, apart from WRC, has not been granted.

Who decides what a live aboard is? Who decided it is illegal to do it?

The Broads Authority.

You people really need to think about what you are really complaining about...,

Who are ‘You people’? No-one here is complaining.

In my experience, persons who live on their boats have very well maintained boats usually above and beyond the requirements of the BSS scheme because it's their home and should it sink or catch fire then they have lost everything. How can you have a problem with people like that?

No-one I know, nor any members here, have got a problem with boaters who comply with the law.

Wouldn't it be handy if you had actually made friends with that person who lives on their boat in your marina....

I am on very friendly terms with the people who live on the boats next to mine, thank you.

Why are you so adamant that boats that people live on are a problem…?

Where has anyone said anything remotely like that on here?

Obviously I get a little irate when people make sweeping statements that living on board their own boat, that is fully compliant with the requirements for keeping that vessel on the Broads, is illegal!

No-one has said that either. What I said was, apart from WRC, planning consent for residential use of marinas hasn’t been granted, so living on a boat in those other marinas IS illegal. The illegality is that of the marina owner allowing it, without the requisite planning permission.


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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Stick, you may be interested in this response from John Packman on the issue.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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I give up!

On a better note!

Happy new year shortly.

Let the world flood! I live on a boat!

This message was edited by Stick on Dec-31-17 @ 9:45 PM

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Couple of things o master Paladine, I originally cut and pasted the comment about the BA "need" to do something about liveaboards that was a sweeping statement that I felt encompassed all live aboards! Thank you for completely dissecting my "rant" as you called it..great way to make somone feel small and taking somones post apart like that and putting it back up in small chunks makes it look completely wrong and can easily be taken out of context.... As I'm
Sure you will be doing the same to this "rant" I shall not go on, suffice to say.

.. Cheers mate I won't be posting on this site again.

Don't listen to me, I'm an idiot!

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