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I've just been browsing through the reports presented to last month's Broads Authority meeting. John Packman presented his report on the Peer Review Update.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could be confident that it gave accurate information? You may recall that, this year and last year, the June Navigation Committee meetings have been cancelled, in favour of "site visits", whatever they might be. This has reduced the number of meetings in those years from 6 to 5.

Yet Dr Packman's report says: "The Authority also has a statutory Local Access Forum and a consultative Broads Forum.
  
In total, there are 36 committee/forum meetings a year:  Broads Authority x 6, Planning Committee x 13,
Financial Scrutiny and Audit Committee x 3, Navigation Committee x 6, Broads Forum x 4, and Broads Local Access Forum x 4."


I wonder how many other inaccuracies there are in his report. It may only be a small point, but it hardly instills confidence, does it. I also wonder if the cancellation of the June NavCom meeting has now become an established 'norm' - an effort to reduce the perceived (or actual) importance of that committee, perhaps.



"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Our company has a lot of meetings on various sites. We call them site visits /meetings.  Some are simply to look at various aspects of the job in question. Other are more encompassing and general.

So unless there is a specific agenda that has to be followed to qualify as as a meeting, I am not so sure that the description is invalid. It could indeed be advantageous to have a meeting on site. In our case it sometimes is.
I am not stating that is the case for this committee, but it may possibly be. Others will certainly know better than me on that one.

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Is the topic title a slip of the finger?

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Whilst not disagreeing with Pally, I do think an out of office meeting counts - trips out are not necessarily jollys and I think some people are pleased they get out of their ivory tours to see whats happening.

I guess a number of the planning meetings may be site meetings too.

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"Is the topic title a slip of the finger?"

My apologies. I thought he had re-branded himself  tounge-in-cheek

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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"I do think an out of office meeting counts..."

Counts as what? A meeting? Why then has there been no report, either of the nature/purpose of the site visits, or of the results/conclusions of those visits, given at the next committee meeting.

Why have these site visits only now been introduced, at the expense of committee meetings? I have looked back over the previous decade...no mention of site visits as a substitute for meetings, until last year.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Is there not a statutory duty to minute all meetings?

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When is a meeting not a meeting?? It will not necessarily be a formal meeting but a meeting nonetheless! And there is likely to be a record of some sort, especially for planning meetings - other more informal meetings may not. Some years ago, some members of the Broads Forum went to inspect the works at Turntide Jetty - did that need minuting?

Ask Harlequin to explain!!

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MM, as far as getting out of the ivory towers is concerned, the notices of cancellation read: "Navigation Committee...Meeting cancelled. Replaced by Site Visit for Members Only...", so the officers don't go along. Surely, the members occupy the real world for most of the time?

TT, if that is the case (and I think you're right) these site visits are obviously not meetings.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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