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Free Spirit, the boat moored near waterworks, has been there for months. I'm sure I saw him a couple of weeks ago, slapping a coat of paint on the hull. I believe it's a couple living on it; how 2 people manage to live on a Colvic 20 is beyond me!  Question

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Surely, the landowner must require planning consent...mooring permitted for more than 28 days.

The BA pursued Roger Wood. Why should NWT get special treatment? The same goes for any other landowner who is turning a blind eye. The 28 days don't have to be consecutive.

DP 25: "For the purposes of this policy, a residential mooring is one where someone lives aboard a vessel (which is capable of navigation), that the vessel is used as the main residence and where that vessel is moored in one location for more than 28 days in a year.
The vessel may occasionally/periodically go cruising and return to base.

The term ‘houseboat’ refers to a static vessel or purpose-built structure with no form of mechanical propulsion, used or designed for residential purposes.  The appearance of houseboats can have a detrimental impact upon the character of the area and will not normally be permitted."




"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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A bit of both here, I would think...

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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And that Mr P, as I guess you are aware, is one part of the encampment on the Ant.  When we passed a couple of weeks ago there was at least one other boat about 50 yards along just at the corner.

It is such a shame that the remedies are so costly and long winded because I guess they will simply move to another location.  Before there are cries of this is what you get when evictions happen the real issue is the choice the boat owners make.

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At least, the guy near Horning Waterworks has paid his toll!

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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I'm not sure what we want done about these few that have been mentioned, is it they look awful?, yes some do, but so do a lot of boats in marinas.
Is it they are trespass mooring, well yes they are, but if you want them to move off so you can moor, you will be trespass mooring instead.
The fact remains that these boats are peoples homes, if you want them gone, where do you re-home the  owners. If you supply residential moorings, many couldn't afford to use them and more likely wouldn't want to moor in a marina anyway.
It's a very complicated issue thats a lot wider than just a broads problem, more and more homeless people are living on boats as what they see as a cheap option and a whole lot better and safer than living rough on the streets.
It's a growing problem and I don't know what the answer is, and I'm not sure the government knows either.



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Its  often a lifestyle choice not a last resort for a homeless person. I've seen facebook groups for the Broads openly encouraging folk to sell up, buy a boat, constantly cruise and not bother with a home mooring. I find this irresponsible at best!

Putting aside the wild mooring issues in terms of others who want to moor there, Paladine has pointed out clearly where the BA do have a responsibility to address this, as they have with others. They cannot pick and choose surely?

Then there are the toilet issues and thus the environmental issues. Most boaters are not allowed to dump (excuse the pun)! straight into the river, so can we all chuck it on the river banks to save ourselves the cost of a pump out? Any long term wild moorer will fill a holding tank and then what - let it overflow into the river? Go and use the  bank?

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Ignoring them isn't the answer either. Unless the BA takes action, and is seen to be taking action, there will simply be an escalation.

Are you saying that the BA has no Plan A, let alone a Plan B? Where did they expect the evictees from Thorpe to go? There were already several liveaboards that hop between BA moorings, now there are extras who are long-term trespass mooring. In the real National Parks, wild camping is regulated (and enforced), either by the NPA or the landowners.

Before you ask 'and what is your solution?', we are not the ones being paid to come up with solutions.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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you are right Karen it is often a life style choice, but it tends to be more of a financial choice, or lack of.
So I say again, what is the solution? Question

Edited to say ...I am talking as a boat owner and human being NOT a BA employee.

Andy


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Yep, a financial choice to save money. Hence my auggestion that others of us may want to save a few quid and stop paying for a pump out ! I do not know why it is thought that many liveaboards were either living rough or about to! Where has that come from? Is there any basis for that assertion or is it a convenient excuse?

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